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  • kidrock
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 16407

    #106
    Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
    Why some can't see the forest for the trees, is beyond me. All the foreign good you see are all about corporate profits. they find it no problem to sell them to you because you are greedy also. This has the perfect scenario for fraud. A greedy person and something too good to be true.

    This and several other things, like tax law, illegal immigration, anti union, increased green card workers, demolition of monopoly laws, discarding Glass Stegal, (Banking laws) and not regulating Trading even with the laws we have. It's about corporate profits.

    I'm not against anyone making money. I'd like to see everyone make as much as they can. The trouble with corporate profits, isn't that they make too much, it's about who they make them from. That would be their own employees. When they take money from the employee, there is no transaction to pay tax on. This leaves someone else the bill for taxes. Who pays that? Of Course the employee. You and me pay the tax. We either pay a little more or do with out some services. The worst part is the disparity between corporate profits and working wages. See link. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...conomy/273687/ Ok you may say what does this really mean. Corporations are supposed to make money. Yes they are, but if they don't reinvest or pay tax the money stops circulating in the economy. Circulation of money is more important than how much money there is. There was every bit as much money during the great depression as there was during the economic boom right before it. It just stopped making the rounds to the poor and middle class. It's called constriction, if your into economics.. Getting back to the problem today, all the things I mentioned above are about a cheap and abundant source of labor and removing anything that would effect that negatively, like Unions or Socialists or Communists. By the way there has never been a true Socialist or Communist Government. They have always been a totalitarian anarchy and labeled as communist.

    Why is cheap abundant labor good for corporations? It lowers the wages threw out the whole wage scale, making more profit. It's hard to ask for a raise when there are ten out of work people, waiting to take your place. Why is it bad for the general public? It creates large unemployment and under employment, which makes a lot of people dependent on the government. This creates a bill that is paid for by taxes. This bill is not paid by the Corps. that reinvest in China and defer profits to the Caymans to avoid tax. It also does not circulate money.

    So what is the fix? That is the hard part. To get Congressmen to vote against their benefactors is going to be tough. I said benefactor and for the guy that said we should have Wallmart run this country, we already do. them and a lot of other big corporate campaign donors. You reinstate Glass stegal, tax everyone that does business here the same, allow only tax deductions for improvements or investments in this country and pesue Cayman Island or other foreign deposits to evade tax as tax evasion as it should be. Enforce immigration laws. Enforce SEC regulations and prosecute them.

    Very good post Bubstr.

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    • kidrock
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 16407

      #107
      Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
      If the Unions are the bad guys, ask why this Country was it's most prosperous for the most people during the hay day of the union during the 50s 60s and now at is smallest membership since the turn of the century, we have hard times? I suggest the union worker is not making too much, the non union worker has been left behind. On top of that the union lobby is the only lobby the average middle class person has and they are out numbered 5 to 1. If it was not for the Union Lobby asking government to tax the rich, thus starting the circulation of money, we may well still be in the great depression. That tax ran up to 98% of taxable income. Yes Higher than a woodpeckers hole but they wasn't making any real money anyway and it got money to circulate.
      Another good post

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      • kidrock
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 16407

        #108
        Originally posted by ss12 View Post
        Clayton that is just some right wing propaganda that you copied and paste. Bubstr replies are more accurate than your BS. Did unions do make some mistkaes? Sure they did but overall they are good for this nation.
        You are just one of the people who never had a union job and are jealous of the one who do. The job you retired from was there any union people there?
        Another good post

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        • LITE-INN
          Banned
          • Feb 2008
          • 12473

          #109
          what smart guy said this besides me lol

          "You can't be for big government, big taxes, and big bureaucracy and still be for the little guy."

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          • ss12
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 3731

            #110
            Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
            Guess what, I was a union member for about ten years and then opted out for my last eighteen years at the same employer. I'm for sure not jealous of unions, as most people realize how corrupt the big unions are. The time of industrialization has long passed and yes the corruption and ties to one political party is a fact and not propaganda. I stand by what I posted above about unions 100% and the facts are out there to prove to. Jealous of unions? lol
            Oh so you were a scab and reaped the benefits of that other faught for. Thats explains a lot about you.
            Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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            • LITE-INN
              Banned
              • Feb 2008
              • 12473

              #111
              no clayton was a nonunion worker working for the govt believe or not they do exist my dad worked for a co where over he worked for the union than against the union

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              • Clayton_Wetter
                Banned
                • May 2007
                • 16671

                #112
                Originally posted by ss12 View Post
                Oh so you were a scab and reaped the benefits of that other faught for. Thats explains a lot about you.
                Not at all. If anything the true scabs are the unions who stand in the way of freedom and the right to work. The industries, companies, businesses, etc. are the ones that ARE providing and own the sources of the jobs and if anything a lot of unions are doing the true scabbing by becoming a hyjacking middleman and destroying fair and free employment. You sir are the scab, though I know you can't admit it.

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                • Clayton_Wetter
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 16671

                  #113
                  Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                  Another good post
                  And yet another great post. lol

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                  • Clayton_Wetter
                    Banned
                    • May 2007
                    • 16671

                    #114
                    Originally posted by LITE-INN View Post
                    no clayton was a nonunion worker working for the govt believe or not they do exist my dad worked for a co where over he worked for the union than against the union
                    Litey, there was a token union at the government base. There was no pressure to join or not to join it. And the word SCAB was not used let alone thought about. Civility, fairness, and unity prevailed like one big happy family.

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                    • LITE-INN
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 12473

                      #115
                      oh you had nancy p working there what was she doing sweeping the floors and blackie get t to counting your corn you missed a couple
                      Last edited by LITE-INN; 03-07-2013, 07:12 PM.

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                      • Clayton_Wetter
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 16671

                        #116
                        Originally posted by LITE-INN View Post
                        no clayton was a nonunion worker working for the govt believe or not they do exist my dad worked for a co where over he worked for the union than against the union
                        Another really really good post! lol

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                        • balljoint
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 1774

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                          If the Unions are the bad guys, ask why this Country was it's most prosperous for the most people during the hay day of the union during the 50s 60s and now at is smallest membership since the turn of the century, we have hard times? I suggest the union worker is not making too much, the non union worker has been left behind. On top of that the union lobby is the only lobby the average middle class person has and they are out numbered 5 to 1. If it was not for the Union Lobby asking government to tax the rich, thus starting the circulation of money, we may well still be in the great depression. That tax ran up to 98% of taxable income. Yes Higher than a woodpeckers hole but they wasn't making any real money anyway and it got money to circulate.
                          50s and 60s were good because of many things. Gold plundered from the past century. Loyal workers ok with dying poor. Wasnt a global world..

                          Great depression was a hoax.

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                          • LITE-INN
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 12473

                            #118

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                            • 15D
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 239

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                              If the Unions are the bad guys, ask why this Country was it's most prosperous for the most people during the hay day of the union during the 50s 60s and now at is smallest membership since the turn of the century, we have hard times? I suggest the union worker is not making too much, the non union worker has been left behind. On top of that the union lobby is the only lobby the average middle class person has and they are out numbered 5 to 1. If it was not for the Union Lobby asking government to tax the rich, thus starting the circulation of money, we may well still be in the great depression. That tax ran up to 98% of taxable income. Yes Higher than a woodpeckers hole but they wasn't making any real money anyway and it got money to circulate.
                              Because we had just finishing bombing our competitors into oblivion in Germany and Japan. Our allied competitors, Great Britain and France where left nearly bankrupt from bankrolling WWII. Essentially we had no competitors and could set our own price. Once competition from these four countries arose we lost our competitive edge and essentially have had wage stagnation for around 40 years.

                              If you somehow think prosperity is the result of a high tax-rate you are poorly informed. No one paid that level of tax, there was generous loopholes that since then have been largely eliminated. For example my brother is chasing his masters degree. Since he makes in the $90k range he can't even deduct tuition. In the 50's you could shelter huge sums of income in off-shore accounts.

                              Most credible economists claim that FDR's actions caused the depression to hold on for 4-6 years longer than it should have. His price fixing and wage fixing did not allow the market to correct itself and caused the depression to linger.

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                              • LITE-INN
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 12473

                                #120
                                If it was not for the Union Lobby asking government to tax the rich, thus starting the circulation of money, we may well still be in the great depression. That tax ran up to 98% of taxable income that makes no sense where does that money go but the govt correct so how get it to circulate with a fan come on thing this out

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