For the NASCAR H8RS

[Barbecueboy]

Could be in favor of that but it would have to be long enough for wear and tear to work in to the mix....those of you talking about the racing in the 80's, get over it, it ain't coming back and our chase format this last year was awesome...Harvick is the champ and darned near didn't get to compete for it, how much more drama do you want? Four drivers, winner take all...don't get much better then that....and because your guy didn't make it, then I guess he shoulda tried harder....

Yeah, why in the world would anybody want nascar to be as jammed packed in the stands , as watched on the tv as competitive on the track and as financially bullish as they were in the 80s and 90s?????

The nerve ...............

[hpmaster]

Run three 25 lap heat races with 14 cars in each heat draw for start position, the last 43rd starter is in the last heat. 15 points for the heat winner and drop to 10 for second 3rd gets 5 and the car with the most passes gets another 5 points. Forth place back all get 2 points each. Feature start positions based on first 14 finishers draw for the front 7 rows then the next 14 draw for the middle 7 rows then the last 15 draw for the last rows. Feature points are 43 to the winner and back from there. There the world of NASCAR is all good.

[CIRF]

Could be in favor of that but it would have to be long enough for wear and tear to work in to the mix....those of you talking about the racing in the 80's, get over it, it ain't coming back and our chase format this last year was awesome...Harvick is the champ and darned near didn't get to compete for it, how much more drama do you want? Four drivers, winner take all...don't get much better then that....and because your guy didn't make it, then I guess he shoulda tried harder....

I have to agree, 1980's NASCAR ain't comin' back, myself and about 1/2 the fan base of the 1980''s & 1990'a ain't comin' back either. And, all of us who ain't comin' back to the gimmicked up bull$hit that is present day NASCAR are "over it", too!

I don't pay much attention to NASCAR these days so there is no such thing as "my guy", unless ya' wanna' count Kyle Larson.

However, I got a lot more enjoyment out of watching Larson win the USAC Silver Crown Ted Horn Memorial 100 at Du Quoin, Illinois, all 3 of the USAC National Touring Series A-mains at the 4 Crown at Eldora and The Turkey Night Grand Prix USAC National Midget race at Perris in 2012 than I ever would watching him win races driving a Cup car.

Winning a Cup race these days boils down to whoever is able to play the gimmicks most successfully so why bother to care or watch.

The last guy I thoroughly enjoyed watching win a championship was Bobby Labonte in 2000 for several reasons that we won't get into now. There hasn't been a legitimate Cup Champion since Matt Kenseth in 2003, all the rest have been gimmicked up shams.

Try another angle 'cause that one just don't wash!

[Barbecueboy]

I have to agree, 1980's NASCAR ain't comin' back, myself and about 1/2 the fan base of the 1980''s & 1990'a ain't comin' back either. And, all of us who ain't comin' back to the gimmicked up bull$hit that is present day NASCAR are "over it", too!

I don't pay much attention to NASCAR these days so there is no such thing as "my guy", unless ya' wanna' count Kyle Larson.

However, I got a lot more enjoyment out of watching Larson win the USAC Silver Crown Ted Horn Memorial 100 at Du Quoin, Illinois, all 3 of the USAC National Touring Series A-mains at the 4 Crown at Eldora and The Turkey Night Grand Prix USAC National Midget race at Perris in 2012 than I ever would watching him win races driving a Cup car.

Winning a Cup race these days boils down to whoever is able to play the gimmicks most successfully so why bother to care or watch.

The last guy I thoroughly enjoyed watching win a championship was Bobby Labonte in 2000 for several reasons that we won't get into now. There hasn't been a legitimate Cup Champion since Matt Kenseth in 2003, all the rest have been gimmicked up shams.

Try another angle 'cause that one just don't wash!

MUDs reply to this ought to be a doozy..............I'm going to go ahead and give him the democratic thumbs up state of the union approval on it already since that will be what his message will be.

No cause for alarm, the state of nascars union is strong!!!!!!!!!( insert, biased " emperor not wearing any clothes and all is well" hearded sheep applause here)

[CIRF]

BBQB, I'm sure your prediction of an "all is well in NASCAR" response will be prophetic, and also equally pathetic!!

These processed and canned responses such as "let it go", "get over it", "put it behind you" are almost always nothing more than an empty dismissal of the point that is trying to be made sans any attempt to offer any valid alternative point of view.

Generally when those worn out cliche's are tossed around the attention span shortens up considerably.

As I mentioned above, many of us have long since "let it go", "moved on", "gotten over it" and "put it behind us" in reference to NASCAR and most of us will never be back.

What was much harder to watch fade away (and still is) was the great racing we all used to enjoy week after week. Many of us may never put away the sadness of watching ALL that be completely destroyed by all the forward thinking, gimmick minded corporate geniuses who now run NASCAR.

[Clayton_Wetter]

NASCAR is about one big race, not a bunch of heat races, and a trophy dash. People don't fly or drive from long distances and pay motel bills to see their favorite drivers crashed out in a blinkin' heat race!!!! TV sets would be turning off left and right over this also.

[D. Tidrow]

BBQB, I'm sure your prediction of an "all is well in NASCAR" response will be prophetic, and also equally pathetic!!These processed and canned responses such as "let it go", "get over it", "put it behind you" are almost always nothing more than an empty dismissal of the point that is trying to be made sans any attempt to offer any valid alternative point of view.Generally when those worn out cliche's are tossed around the attention span shortens up considerably.As I mentioned above, many of us have long since "let it go", "moved on", "gotten over it" and "put it behind us" in reference to NASCAR and most of us will never be back.What was much harder to watch fade away (and still is) was the great racing we all used to enjoy week after week. Many of us may never put away the sadness of watching ALL that be completely destroyed by all the forward thinking, gimmick minded corporate geniuses who now run NASCAR.

CIRF I don't care what anybody else says about you, but I will say you are an encyclopedia of Nascar. I enjoy your post. I have even told my stepdad about your post. Him and his family went to every speed week since 1972. They fell off in the mid nineties. After introducing him to him to 4m, he said you are spot on. Much respect to you!

[CIRF]

Mr. Tidrow, I sincerely appreciate the kind words and respect from you and your stepdad. I send the same back to you both.

What my wife of 24 years says about my recall of NASCAR and racing in general is not nearly so endearing. Especially when I can't remember to bring home a quart of milk! LOL!!

If it sounds like we were passionate about NASCAR Cup racing it's because we really were a long time ago. It is saddening to see what has happened to it over the past 15 years.

[D. Tidrow]

Mr. Tidrow, I sincerely appreciate the kind words and respect from you and your stepdad. I send the same back to you both.What my wife of 24 years says about my recall of NASCAR and racing in general is not nearly so endearing. Especially when I can't remember to bring home a quart of milk! LOL!!If it sounds like we were passionate about NASCAR Cup racing it's because we really were a long time ago. It is saddening to see what has happened to it over the past 15 years.

Amen buddy. Look forward to your future posts.

[kidrock]

Yeah, instead of coming to four hour 4play scripted fight... let there be a race with heats and an A main!!!

I like your way of thinking. Put some excitement back into NASCAR. I would also invert the field like the old days.

[drano]

Do like the old late model day's run two 50 lap features invert the second one.

[CIRF]

I like your way of thinking. Put some excitement back into NASCAR. I would also invert the field like the old days.

Kid, I believe NASCAR has always started their races straight up, except for the Daytona 500.

[buster83]

hell yell i think about NASCAR every time i take a dump

[Barbecueboy]

hell yell i think about NASCAR every time i take a dump

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........dumping on today's nascar is frowned upon by herds of sheep everywhere!!

You are likely to offend a few of them.

[Captain Happy]

hell yell i think about NASCAR every time i take a dump

My, how LITE-INN'ish of you...