Busch And The Championship

[CIRF]

I would have to agree with the analogy of pee wee jr. and arnhead being legitimately similar in a lot more ways than most arnhead advocates would admit to.

Exactly how many championships were sewn up in August during the years of NASCAR using the Winston Cup points system? I'm thinkin' not many. I may be wrong and if I am I'm sure someone will correct me, and rightfully so.

I can remember the championship being in question going into the final race at Atlanta a lot more often than not. As A ron said, Gordo had a couple of his in his pocket before Atlanta and probably arnhead, too. And we all know The King won a few going away but those sewn up and won by those 3 guys earlier in the season were the exception, not the rule.

And, ya' had to run ALL the points races to even have a shot at the championship, unlike today when NASCAR juggles the rules to artificially make it possible to win the championship after not competing in 11 races! That is truely mind-boggling!

But, who cares about that stuff!!!

GO PEE WEE JR.!!

[mudslinger47]

I would have to agree with the analogy of pee wee jr. and arnhead being legitimately similar in a lot more ways than most arnhead advocates would admit to.

Exactly how many championships were sewn up in August during the years of NASCAR using the Winston Cup points system? I'm thinkin' not many. I may be wrong and if I am I'm sure someone will correct me, and rightfully so.

I can remember the championship being in question going into the final race at Atlanta a lot more often than not. As A ron said, Gordo had a couple of his in his pocket before Atlanta and probably arnhead, too. And we all know The King won a few going away but those sewn up and won by those 3 guys earlier in the season were the exception, not the rule.

And, ya' had to run ALL the points races to even have a shot at the championship, unlike today when NASCAR juggles the rules to artificially make it possible to win the championship after not competing in 11 races! That is truely mind-boggling!

But, who cares about that stuff!!!

GO PEE WEE JR.!!

And the cool part is, you get your opinion....just not your way.... and I get both.... my opinion and my way... you don't have to like it, write letters and get it changed, come up with a better idea, or just set here and b!tch about it.....LOL I know which you'll chose....

[A ron]

Mudslinger's version of the perfect system:

[CIRF]

And the cool part is, you get your opinion....just not your way.... and I get both.... my opinion and my way... you don't have to like it, write letters and get it changed, come up with a better idea, or just set here and b!tch about it.....LOL I know which you'll chose....

I'm lovin' it, mud. Why would I write a letter? NASCAR began it's trajectory towards irrelevance 10 or 12 years ago when the bandwagon fans were showing up to the races and watching in record numbers on TV and no letter is going to change that now. Those days are long over because of the gimmicks you think are so cool and all NASCAR has left is guys like you. It's only right that the reason's for the slide to irrelevance be distinctly identified to you gimmick apologists. If this is what NASCAR, and guys like you believe is the way back to relevance then by all means carry on.

I've said several time that NASCAR has my undivided attention the remainder of this season and we're wildly cheering on pee wee jr. Now, is that bitchin'? Hehehehehe!





GO PEE WEE JR.!!

Mudslinger's version of the perfect system:

Yep A ron, I think ya' summed it up pretty well. Mudslinger would love this process of determining a champion, wouldn't ya' Mud?!! Hehehehe!!

[mudslinger47]

LOL Yup, I like the Chase.... Ya'll can post all you want, pic's and memes and ya know what? I still come out the winner.... I really like the "no room for error" part.... if your going to win the championship, you really can't make any mistakes, unless they all make mistakes, that's crew, driver and car.... any one of them can take you completely out in one week..... under the old system, you could stroke your meat for the whole season and be in at the end, this rewards wining, not strokin'....

[A ron]

no room for error????????????? You're kidding right?? The only race with no room for error is Homestead. You can miss the first 11 races and still win. You can be Ryan Newman and run 15th all year and still have a chance at Homestead. I honestly think that's part of the ratings problem. Until the last 3-4 races, watching is pointless. France has been so greedily focused on getting more people to watch the last 1/3 of the season, that he has completely destroyed most fans' desire to watch the first 2/3. Kenny Wallace blamed the ratings drop on "societal change" but I think he like every other person involved with Nascar is scared to tell the truth.

[CIRF]

LOL Yup, I like the Chase.... Ya'll can post all you want, pic's and memes and ya know what? I still come out the winner.... I really like the "no room for error" part.... if your going to win the championship, you really can't make any mistakes, unless they all make mistakes, that's crew, driver and car.... any one of them can take you completely out in one week..... under the old system, you could stroke your meat for the whole season and be in at the end, this rewards wining, not strokin'....

See A ron's reply to have it explained how far off in left field you really are. He sums things up far better than I can.

I will only say that it's great you're so mesmerized and enamored with the gimmicks. Your the fan that NASCAR was seeking out when they mandated all the gimmicks. But go to a Cup race and look around you. Those of you who care anymore are becoming an endangered species. NASCAR managed to please you but in the process of making you, and those of your ilk, happy they managed to run off 50% or more of all the rest of the loyal fans they had just 10 or 12 years ago and the numbers are droppin' fast to this day.

They (NASCAR) got me back for the rest of the season or 'till pee wee is out of it but I'll be gone again then, too.

no room for error????????????? You're kidding right?? The only race with no room for error is Homestead. You can miss the first 11 races and still win. You can be Ryan Newman and run 15th all year and still have a chance at Homestead. I honestly think that's part of the ratings problem. Until the last 3-4 races, watching is pointless. France has been so greedily focused on getting more people to watch the last 1/3 of the season, that he has completely destroyed most fans' desire to watch the first 2/3. Kenny Wallace blamed the ratings drop on "societal change" but I think he like every other person involved with Nascar is scared to tell the truth.

A ron, once again you lay it out there better than I ever could. Thank you.



GO PEE WEE JR.!!

[kidrock]

I honestly think if they get the racing better people will start watching again and they won't care how they go about deciding a champion.

[mudslinger47]

no room for error????????????? You're kidding right?? The only race with no room for error is Homestead. You can miss the first 11 races and still win. You can be Ryan Newman and run 15th all year and still have a chance at Homestead. I honestly think that's part of the ratings problem. Until the last 3-4 races, watching is pointless. France has been so greedily focused on getting more people to watch the last 1/3 of the season, that he has completely destroyed most fans' desire to watch the first 2/3. Kenny Wallace blamed the ratings drop on "societal change" but I think he like every other person involved with Nascar is scared to tell the truth.

Because the chase is the last twelve...do you even watch NASCAR? I know CIRF doesn't, but I "THOUGHT" you did... And Kenny is probably right, come out to Cali and go to a race, no young people to speak of....they have a different lifestyle and they're not "in to" cars that much....Hell I have a 26 year old nephew that just got his license last year, never really needed it...he said, in my day you could hardly wait for that freedom, now its no big deal...I see kids everyday that drive, but their cars are dirty ad in disrepair, they're just not interested in cars, let alone racing....

[kidrock]

Because the chase is the last twelve...do you even watch NASCAR? I know CIRF doesn't, but I "THOUGHT" you did... And Kenny is probably right, come out to Cali and go to a race, no young people to speak of....they have a different lifestyle and they're not "in to" cars that much....Hell I have a 26 year old nephew that just got his license last year, never really needed it...he said, in my day you could hardly wait for that freedom, now its no big deal...I see kids everyday that drive, but their cars are dirty ad in disrepair, they're just not interested in cars, let alone racing....

And you are right, that's why you are seeing a decline in the sport.

[A ron]

Wow. Sorry mudslinger....scraping the bottom of the barrel are we? Lmao 0.277777777777778 of a year. Is that better? However you are correct. I WAS a former die hard fan. Since 2004 my interest has dwindled. It's to the point that it's to much trouble to go through and delete them of the DVR so I don't even record them anymore. Another thing just came to mind also. They let one of the shortest races of the year decide the Championship.

[CIRF]

Wow. Sorry mudslinger....scraping the bottom of the barrel are we? Lmao 0.277777777777778 of a year. Is that better? However you are correct. I WAS a former die hard fan. Since 2004 my interest has dwindled. It's to the point that it's to much trouble to go through and delete them of the DVR so I don't even record them anymore. Another thing just came to mind also. They let one of the shortest races of the year decide the Championship.

A ron, there's that year (2004) again. That is just about when myself and many people that I know began to lose interest in NASCAR just as you stated (actually it was somewhat prior to '04 for other reasons). What happened in '04 you ask? Well, that was the first year of the big gimmick known as the chase.

It's as plain as can be, societal changes be dammed. I tend to agree with A ron, Kenny Wallace, along with many others who are spokespeople for NASCAR, is toeing the company line.

It's been stated many times before, and I know I'm repeating myself, but the pressure brought to bear on NASCAR for Matt Kenseth winning the '03 championship was what began the sharp decline. The fans that wanted so rabidly to do away with a tried and true system were fair weather fans and now they're gone forever and NASCAR is left holding the bag, tearing out seats at racetracks by the 10's of thousands and their races relegated to obscure cable channels.

Except for mud!! LOL! He's NASCAR's poster boy for justifying the gimmicks. When it's all said and done the biggest problem will remain. There just aren't nearly enough mud's to keep NASCAR relevant.


GO PEE WEE JR.!!

[mudslinger47]

LOL so here I sit... boy am I the chump or what, arguing about a sport that neither one of the other two even watch.... but, I still win, I like the Chase format and I like the great racing and I enjoy my Sunday evening watching it... and all they get to do is bitch and grumble..... yup, life is good and God is great...

[A ron]

I dunno who wins mud. I kinda enjoy the extra 4-8 hours per week used to be taken up by my Nascar addiction.

[CIRF]

LOL so here I sit... boy am I the chump or what, arguing about a sport that neither one of the other two even watch.... but, I still win, I like the Chase format and I like the great racing and I enjoy my Sunday evening watching it... and all they get to do is bitch and grumble..... yup, life is good and God is great...

Yep, you win, while NASCAR becomes less relevant every day due to attendance and TV viewership is tanking badly. Your kind are getting fewer by the day, and as I said before, the proof is in the numbers. The proof is clearly evident by the empty seats and TV ratings less than half of what they once were. By all means, enjoy it. LOL!!

GREAT RACING?!! Well you won't see it at a Cup race or telecast. Not anymore. If ya' want great racing you need to be in Tulsa in January or in Indiana in July or at Perris in November! Now that's great racin', not some artificially ginned up gimmick fest.

But we're still cheerin' on pee wee to be the illegitimate Cup champion!! Life is good even without racin' but it'll bring a smile (or maybe a bit of a smirk, LOL) to my face if pee wee wins the Cup.

Come on mud, lets cheer him on together! Hehehehe!



GO PEE WEE JR.!!