Just flippin WOW!!!!

[t.nie]

Lets agree that Church is no place to preach politics. The Bible teaches the followers that they will be held accountable for whom they cast their lots. IT doesn't mean whom one votes for will win, but it clearly means the believer with be accountable for his/her decision.

It's also pretty clear that leaders are to lead people to God and keep Him first in their messages. Not serving some politicians candidacy from the pulpit.

I am in total agreement, the Church should not be a place for preaching politics.

[t.nie]

So right, Maybe it is time they stop repeating what the ratings driven conservative media shovels down their throat and think for themself... and not get all foaming at the mouth over something that is not even proposed. As upstanding citizens would it be a big deal to wait a couple of days to get your new gun and if you have nothing to hide why are you so against background checks and the new proposal to link a gun sale to the FBI terroist watch and no fly list?

I have no idea why anyone would be opposed to registering their weapons. Every single part on your vehicle is listed in a database somewhere so its traceable, why wouldn't you want the same level of tracking on deadly weapons?

Romans 13:4 "For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

Now I know some people really like to pick and choose the leaders they will respect, but the Bible affords us none of that. It's pretty clear, whether we like it or not. Paul Ryan, John Boehner, etc are not my favorite people either, but this is pretty clear. They are there because God put them there.

We will see which side comes out on top in future elections. I would urge anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ to remember that verse in the future, because we all have trouble with leaders we think are not leading the way we think they should lead. But to question God's judgement in placing them in that position is to deny God's ultimate authority over us all.

I include myself in that too, because I often have problems with some of the elected. But maybe God just puts them there so we can all see what we should be opposed to.

[Clayton_Wetter]

The Bible also says to be very careful about whom you choose as your trusted council. In other words, know what the Bible says, study it, read it, pray over it, and be very careful whom you trust to guide you in your Christian walk.

Again, if your preacher is preaching to his church that they need to vote for Donald Trump, I would be immediately seeking another church. I would not trust any preacher who was that deeply committed to his political views that he would risk alienating people from Christ by bringing his personal political preferences into his church or using his pulpit or position to influence people politically.

Sorry, but that is just wrong on every level.

Very well fabricated psycho babble!!!

You got evidence of preachers stumping for Trump in their sermons or are you just creating a partisan point of inflammatory rhetoric?

[Clayton_Wetter]

So right, Maybe it is time they stop repeating what the ratings driven conservative media shovels down their throat and think for themself... and not get all foaming at the mouth over something that is not even proposed. As upstanding citizens would it be a big deal to wait a couple of days to get your new gun and if you have nothing to hide why are you so against background checks and the new proposal to link a gun sale to the FBI terroist watch and no fly list?

It's not the background checks itself that is a problem to most any law abiding citizen. It's what they are doing quietly as they can to expand what will disqualify citizens from owning guns. If they get all the guns registered to their owners (criminals, mentals, and terrorists excluded). Then they can come after your guns just because your name might be on a no fly list, or you are merely taking antidepressants for example. And yes they are and will add every excuse they can think of to disqualifying citizens from owning firearms. And the sky is the limit with these radicals whackos like Obummer, Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, etc. leading the way.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I have no idea why anyone would be opposed to registering their weapons. Every single part on your vehicle is listed in a database somewhere so its traceable, why wouldn't you want the same level of tracking on deadly weapons?

Romans 13:4 "For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

Now I know some people really like to pick and choose the leaders they will respect, but the Bible affords us none of that. It's pretty clear, whether we like it or not. Paul Ryan, John Boehner, etc are not my favorite people either, but this is pretty clear. They are there because God put them there.

We will see which side comes out on top in future elections. I would urge anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ to remember that verse in the future, because we all have trouble with leaders we think are not leading the way we think they should lead. But to question God's judgement in placing them in that position is to deny God's ultimate authority over us all.

I include myself in that too, because I often have problems with some of the elected. But maybe God just puts them there so we can all see what we should be opposed to.

More totally partisan slams while thumping the good book again? Yep Paul Ryan and Boehner but no mention of any DEMOCRAT such as the PREZ and his devastating assault on America's freedoms, culture and way of life???

I find this extremism very very disturbing.

[t.nie]

Very well fabricated psycho babble!!!

You got evidence of preachers stumping for Trump in their sermons or are you just creating a partisan point of inflammatory rhetoric?

Someone else said their preacher was preaching vote Trump.

[t.nie]

More totally partisan slams while thumping the good book again? Yep Paul Ryan and Boehner but no mention of any DEMOCRAT such as the PREZ and his devastating assault on America's freedoms, culture and way of life???

I find this extremism very very disturbing.

I just mentioned a couple of the ones that came to mind that I personally dislike. I also said that everyone has their own list. I wasn't demanding anyone agree with mine.

[25drtrkr]

More totally partisan slams while thumping the good book again? Yep Paul Ryan and Boehner but no mention of any DEMOCRAT such as the PREZ and his devastating assault on America's freedoms, culture and way of life???

I find this extremism very very disturbing.

Yep CW, he thinks God is all LOVE and no JUSTICE!

Perhaps he should read Revelation, where God says "because you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth"!

I DARE any of you to debate my pastor over what he preaches from the pulpit! None of you, self-proclaimed believers, has the balls to!

[kidrock]

It's also pretty clear that leaders are to lead people to God and keep Him first in their messages. Not serving some politicians candidacy from the pulpit.

I am in total agreement, the Church should not be a place for preaching politics.

I couldn't agree more, another good post.

[kidrock]

So we can assume you believe Bush was totally responsible for 9/11 and the economic downturn that happened after that, culminating in the economic crash of 2008 then? That a conservative is finally willing to own up and place the blame for the mess Obama inherited and had to spend a fortune to clean up is really Bush's doings?

We will see how accountable you hold your own. Using your logic, those two things certainly were 100% Bush's fault, because "he was President, the buck stops there, and the facts don't lie."

I don't think being liberal or conservative has anything to do with one's ability to judge fairly and see facts. There are plenty of fact seeking conservatives out there who can see things for what they are, just as there are plenty of progressive liberals who do the same.

Of course he doesn't believe Bush was at fault. He's probably trying to find a way to blame Obama.

[mudslinger47]

Of course he doesn't believe Bush was at fault. He's probably trying to find a way to blame Obama.

LOL why not, obummer blames "W" for everything.... LOL

[Clayton_Wetter]

Someone else said their preacher was preaching vote Trump.

Maybe he was teasing you, for another meltdown. lol

[mudslinger47]

The only time I have heard any Preacher stump for anyone it was Black Preachers for obummer and they were on TV doing it.... no smart preacher would stump for a candidate for fear of alienating part of his congregation .... would be a dumb move...

[kidrock]

LOL why not, obummer blames "W" for everything.... LOL

No chit, time for him to take responsibility for his own stupid stuff he has done. Time to man up. We all make mistakes.

[25drtrkr]

Maybe he was teasing you, for another meltdown. lol

Cw, all i hear is crickets!.........These so-called self-proclaimed believers won't answer my challenge to debate my pastor! I guess they don't really know the Bible like they claim to!

How do you separate your political views from your religious ones? You dont......if you are a believer, the Holy Spirit is inside you. If your candidate doesn't line up with the word of God, you need a new candidate or vote for the closest one to it! Thats what my pastor teaches, but he's not ashamed to tell us who he votes for, either!