Just flippin WOW!!!!

[25drtrkr]

You're a self proclaimed believer, I just find it unfortunate when the Bible tells believers to live peacefully with each other and be forgiving of each other you seem to intent on trying to pick a fight.

I didn't respond because I found the whole "dare you to debate my preacher" thing silly, ridiculous and unproductive. You just sounded like a little kid on the playground puffing his chest out saying "my dad can beat up your dad!!"

No, I won't be debating your preacher about anything. Suffice it to say if this is the kind of message he is giving his flock, and this is the way he is telling you to present yourself to others, maybe you should be finding another church.

But that's just my opinion. What difference does it make to you what I think anyway? You are still free to go about your business, slam people, put others down, act however you want. I just think there are two tribes of Christians out here, some of whom are all Fired and Brimstone and "you're going to HEEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!!! YOU NON BELIEVERS!!!!!" and there are others that try to look like Christ.

Christ never forced himself on anyone, never put anyone down for not being with him, always reached out with love and compassion. Even scolded Peter for hacking a guy's ear off in defense of Jesus and healed the guy right there. That's the Christ I follow. Not the bull in a china shop judging everyone, but the Christ that wants to reach as many as possible so that none shall perish.

I just kind of get the impression you really love telling people how wrong they are and they are going to hell, and if you don't like my way of thinking and my brand of Christianity in my Tribe, you best get ready for a fight, cause that's what you are going to get from us.

Which isn't my Christianity. At all.

Here's where you are wrong about me! I'm not talking to you in person or I would spend more time debating my side. I might only have a few mins or posts to get your attention, so i use it to get full shock value. I have been a devout Christian for 31 years and am not ashamed to defend the Gospel. If Jesus Christ can die on a rugged cross for my sins, I owe it to him, to defend His Word.

Another thing, my spiritual gifts God has blessed me with is prophesy and discernment. I know in a few mins if I'm dealing with a believer or not. Thats not bragging but using a gift I was given. Also, the gift of prophesy is not always predicting the future (which I can't, but there are many signs of the future to come), but it speaks to my personality on how i perpetuate my thoughts to people. I'm not a preacher or evangelist, but my thought processes are similar.

If you notice, i always try to back up my statements with Biblical verses. God help me if wrongly use them out of context. You should not get alarmed if I challenge you.The Bible says to be strong in the Word and courageous. You should be willing to debate me with your own verses if you have knowlege. If I make you feel uncomfortable, you should ask yourself why? If you are grounded in the Word, you should have no fear of debating me. I certainly dont know everything about the Bible, but I do know a good bit of it. Im very strong in the basics of what a believer should know.

I hope by challenging you or others, it makes you study your Bible more to see if I am right. I will call you and others out, if you mis-quote the Bible or mis-construe it, to win an argument. Too many liberals mis-quote the Bible for their own argument. Every verse is not literal but thats what they choose to argue with. " Do not judge , lest ye be judged" is their most common. Thats not what that verse means, it is not literal. It means don't judge why someone did a particular thing or their motives. We are not God, only He knows why people do things. There is nothing wrong for judging a person if they committed a sin. The Bible says, "Open rebuke is better than secret love."

btw....what is so wrong about a pastor telling his people who he votes for. If he is ashamed of it, he probly is voting for the wrong person. Im glad i have a pastor that is that open with his congregation.He always tells us to be sure the politician lines up with the Bible. How can you go wrong with that advice?

If you want a more toned down response than what you see by my posts, pm me....We can talk by phone if you like.

[Clayton_Wetter]

1. Liberalism is a movement of the well-intentioned, but ill-informed, led by the well-informed and ill-intentioned.

2. At heart, a liberal is an eternal adolescent, forever in search of escape from conventional morality, consequences and responsibility.

3. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state.

4. The Liberal religion worships the twin gods of The Government and The Genitalia.

5. A Liberal believes that psychology is a hard science in the same way that physics and chemistry are hard sciences.

6. Freedom, to a Liberal, refers solely to the freedom of the genitalia.

7. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the Liberal because they contain within them an element of personal responsibility, self-sacrifice, or abstention.

8. Collectivism seeks to eliminate the need for personal responsibility and moral consequence by shifting blame for failure from the individual to "society" or "the System".

9. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the enemy of the Liberal. Because they are clear in their elaboration of both the rights of the Individual and the Powers of Government, both documents must be subverted, re-interpreted, or ignored, as needed.

10. The Liberal hates the United States because it has been the premier guarantor and promoter of individual rights in the history of mankind.

11. All institutions – schools, environMENTAL organizations, Civil Rights Groups, Law courts, Markets, etc., serve no relevant purpose to a Liberal except when they can be made to promote the concept of the collective.

12. Abortion is necessary to guarantee genital freedom and to further erode the concept of personal responsibility, while eliminating future generations of less-desirable human beings.

14. The Liberal must create an atmosphere of perpetual crisis, fear, and envy in order to justify continued collectivist oppression.

15. Religion is the enemy of the Liberal since it promotes morality and responsibility and suggests an authority set above Government.

16. Despite decades of failure, the Liberal clings to his collectivist ideology because it is HIS religion.

17. Liberals seek to dominate any institution that can be used to undermine or eliminate parental rights, such as schools, child-abuse agencies, pediatric associations, etc. and which can be used to turn children into informants for the State against their own parents.

18. The Liberal seeks to sanction and jail those who dare to home school their children, or who have the balls and wherewithal to raise their children in an environment outside of Liberal control or influence.

19. Individual ownership of firearms is the greatest threat to collectivism and the greatest expression of individual rights, therefore, all Liberals despise guns.

20. All freedoms demand responsible behavior. The Liberal despises responsibility, therefore, he despises freedom.

21. A Liberal worships his pantheon of Kennedys, Clintons, Cuomos, Jacksons, Gores and Obamas, for WHO they are, and in spite of WHAT they are.

22. The Liberal despises National Sovereignty, which is a guarantor of individual freedoms.

23. The Liberal promotes international government, such as the United Nations and the European Union, which seek to destroy National Sovereignty. The Soviet Union did not collapse, it merely moved west.

24. The Liberal is obsessed with the idea of centralized control of all human endeavors.

25. Liberals often speak of tolerance but can only tolerate other Liberals.

26. Liberals seek to criminalize any speech promoting responsibility, morality, or individualism as "hate speech" or sedition.

27. To a liberal, the thought cannot be separated from the deed -- unless one of his or her own is thinking or doing it.

28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course, promoting paranoia based upon verifiable falsehood.

29. A Liberal’s only method of discourse is to insult and discredit all who disagree with him. Failing that, they attempt to draw attention away from the subject at hand by "moving on" and changing the subject.

30. Your freedom is a Liberal’s oppression.

31. Private property and wealth are disgusting and distasteful concepts to a Liberal -- unless they should have more than you do.

32. Liberals hate freedom-loving people with a passion bordering on mania.

33. The Liberal seeks to replace a moral world-view with an emotional one which can be more easily manipulated for political ends.

34. A Liberal claims to "care" for the homeless, mentally ill, lame, lazy and shiftless, but would never invite one of them into their own home.

35. The Liberal typically chooses a career – law, psychology, academic, bureaucrat, "activist", which produces nothing of value and which uses the power of government to extract the wealth of others.

36. Liberal "programs" enrich Liberals and screw the people they were purportedly supposed to help.

37. Liberals despise masculinity, as they view it as a symbol of individual freedom and power.

38. Feminist groups exist to promote lesbianism and socialism and have nothing to do with "equal rights".

39. The EEOC and Civil Rights groups regularly invent incidents of racism and discrimination in order to justify its existence and to promote the collectivist ideals regarding employment and equality-of-outcome-type Liberal programs or thought.

40. Liberals despise suburbs as the manifestation of individual property and prosperity -- but seem to have no such qualms about gentrifying ghettos.

41. Liberals hate marriage and the family because they are institutions that strengthen the bonds between individuals -- leaving no room for collectivism -- and because they are institutions which frown upon immorality.

42. Liberals despise the automobile as a symbol of personal freedom.

43. Other diseases kill far more people, but Liberals are obsessed with AIDS because it is the consequence of promiscuity and immorality.

44. Liberal activities are driven by ego and a need for self-satisfaction. A liberal believes and does the things he does because he must prove that he "cares" more than you do.

45. Liberals thrive on emotion and die by reason.

46. Anything espoused by a Liberal as "for the children" is a direct assault upon your family, your privacy, your wallet and your rights.

47. Liberals have no compunction against using violence, deceit, or oppression if it furthers the collectivist cause.

48. Liberals are elitists who routinely exempt themselves from the very rules and suggested behaviors they impose on everyone else.

49. A Liberal must accept as an article of faith that my gun has killed more people than Ted Kennedy’s car or Janet Reno's ATF and FBI.

50. Liberals believe that Geraldo Rivera, Katie Couric, Dan Rather, and Oprah Winfrey are "journalists".

51. Liberals howl if a "protected" group is offended by speech or action, but will remain dead silent if the offended happen to be any of the following: Christians, White Males, Heterosexuals or Taxpayers.

52. Liberals believe wealth is static and quantifiable, and that that it should be divided equally. So, if I have "too much money", it follows that I must have stolen someone else’s "fair share".

53. Liberals believe that Richard Nixon was a vile criminal but that Stalin, Mao, and Fidel Castro are "progressive" leaders who had only the best of intentions.

54. All Liberal ideologies tend towards worldwide totalitarianism.

55. A Liberal is quite ready to point out misconduct by a member of a group opposed to them, but will routinely excuse even more vile behavior by their own.

56. Liberals are obsessed with the theory of evolution because the alternatives terrify them.

57. A full-time, stay-at-home mother enrages a Liberal.

58. Human life is cheap in a Liberal world.

59. The Liberal routinely changes the definition of a word to suit his purpose. For example, you have the "choice" to abort your unborn children, but not the "choice" of smoking, owning a gun, or buying an SUV.

60. A Liberal cannot conceive of a problem that cannot be solved without Government intervention. Although more often than not, Government Action created the problem in the first place.

61. Hillary Clinton's village is a totalitarian state: it used to be called the Soviet Union.

62. Given the chance, a Liberal would ban the Bible, Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Tom Sawyer as "hate speech".

63. Liberals view people as objects without moral motivation, thus we have the welfare state, abortion rights, etc. Conversely, they view inanimate objects in strictly moral terms, thus they are able to vilify and impart motives to firearms, cigarettes, SUV's, corporations, etc.

64. "Third Way" politics is a new shade of lipstick on the same Socialist pig.

65. Liberals are often intolerant, immature, violent thugs, laboring under the misapprehension that they do what they do for "social and moral causes" or "justice"..

66. The Liberal would sooner pluck out his own eye than to cut a tax.

67. Liberals still believe that Marx was right, despite the evidence to the contrary.

68. Hitler was a Socialist, not a Fascist and certainly NOT a Conservative.

69. Liberals believe that AIDS kills people because prevention and treatment services are underfunded, and not because people behave irresponsibly.

70. Liberals detest the death penalty, but favor abortion, thus setting up the convoluted idea that it’s okay to save the guilty and kill the innocent.

71. Liberals believe that trial lawyers are selfless heroes and that doctors are overpaid robber barons.

72. A Liberal believes that gender roles are "imposed by society" and that homosexuality is "normal" behavior.

[Clayton_Wetter]

119. Liberals are people who won’t even take their own side in a fight. Four Americans are killed in an attack on an American consulate, and all the liberals can do is imprison an American for utilizing his First Amendment rights.

120. Liberals tend to deal with people as groups, rather than as individuals, and therefore, are often unable to reconcile away what appear to be glaring inconsistencies – like a Black Conservative – in anything except the most dismissive and prejudicial ways and usually with bigoted language. This while they sing the hymns of Diversity, Inclusion and Civil Rights.

121. Liberals give themselves far too much credit for being liberal, a condition they believe makes someone wise, compassionate and superior. Therefore, the good in people springs not from their actions but from their ideology. This explains the misogynist who calls himself a feminist, the race baiter who accuses others of racism, or those who give nothing to charity but who somehow feel empowered to lecture others on compassion.

122. Justice, to a liberal, refers solely to a court twisting the Constitution to give the liberal what he wants, and using the law to punish his enemies.

123. Liberals cannot tolerate opposition because if people are given a viable alternative to liberalism, there would very quickly be no liberals, in much the same way the Muslim Clerics and Ayatollahs try to crush Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus.

124. Liberals are born hypocrites. They support free speech – unless it’s speech they disagree with; they support women’s rights – unless you’re Muslim; they accuse their opponents of the worst crimes – and commit far worse ones of their own; they resist the urge to impose values on people – unless they happen to be their values, in which case they are to be enshrined in law and educational systems, and enforced with all the power of the state; every Liberal policy eventually ends up hurting those the liberal claims to be helping.

125. When a Liberal has a choice between fantasy and reality, he will choose the fantasy every time without hesitation, so Hillary Clinton is ‘the smartest women in the world’, Barack Obama is an ‘enlightened healer and leader’, Jesse Jackson is a defender of Civil Rights, Al Gore was robbed by a Bush Conspiracy rather than being a rotten candidate, Bill Clinton was the best friend the feminists ever had, etc…

126. The Liberal lives by the concept of Divide and Conquer, pitting one group of individuals against another for personal gain, while insisting that he is a champion of freedom and equality and an egalitarian. In fact, the more discord there is between people, the more inequality there is, the better the Liberal likes it, because it affords him greater opportunity to acquire and centralize more power over others. Just as Julius Caesar courted the mob in order to establish a dictatorship, and so ruined the Roman Republic, so the Liberal behaves..

127. The main reason why liberals automatically dismiss any Conservative plan to restore personal liberty and economic freedom to Americans is because the the Liberals fortunes are tied directly to the fortunes of the very people who would benefit, but usually can't, because they lack the tools to take advantage of new opportunities. These people largely lack these capabilities because the Liberal has found it politically useful to deny and politicize them, and hopes to avoid the resulting blame when this denial of basic rights is finally discovered.

128. No one who works indoors needs a union. In fact, in modern America, there is no longer a need for a labor union, at all. While labor unions did, indeed, do great things and protect the rights of American workers in the past, their function has been largely superseded by State and Federal law, and a Legal System that would see 4 million lawyers salivate over the prospect of a quick-and-dirty settlement over any perceived case of actual discrimination or unfairness. The Labor Union exists solely to support the democratic party (small 'd' intentional), keep the false promises of Communism alive, and to ensure that genuinely stupid and lazy people who would mostly fail in the private sector (government employees and industrial workers for whom there is no more industry) can afford Cadillacs and 48" Plasma screens without -- mostly -- having to put in an honest day's work for them.

129. A Liberal brands an individual accused of a crime as guilty before proven innocent, while Conservatives brand those accused of crimes innocent until proven guilty. In some cases, where the accusation and implication of guilt is politically useful, the assertion of guilt is continuously made even after the individual has been proven innocent of the charges against him.

130. History, to a liberal, is infinitely mutable, and is continuously re-written to fit the liberal narrative. What is considered historical "fact" today can be changed tomorrow, often sans evidence, if doing so helps to bring the dreamed-of Liberal Collective one step closer. As we speak, entire areas of historical research are being re-written in political terms. As we speak, the hagiographies of such liberal luminaries as Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara, Castro, Pol Pot, John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are being deliberately and politically altered to so as to show future generations that these were not badly-flawed men, driven by ego and a thirst for power, but rather misunderstood men who had nothing but the best of intentions. Subsequently, the process is also being applied to the enemies of the Liberal, so that Ronald Reagan wanted nuclear war, George W. Bush refused to rescue black people during Hurricane Katrina, and (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) Cheney instigated 9-11 so as to bring profit to Haliburton's shareholders.

131. Liberals discount the importance and effect of religion, and often deride those who have some form of faith as superstitious fools who are being led astray by self-interested little tyrants intent on squashing their freedoms. They neglect to consider or admit, however, the basis in religion (Jesus, the Buddah, among others) that form the fundamentals of their collective Ideologies, i.e. Socialism and Communism. There is no Marx without Christ.

132. The Liberal believes that all of society's ills can be cured by a massive program of government-directed "education" despite the evidence that liberal education policies have done little than turn the schools into government-funded daycare centers where children are warehoused, often fed two meals a day, and denied the opportunity of a real education. Because of liberal policies on Affirmative Action, hiring practices, curriculum, and the influence of liberal-inspired speech codes and political correctness, the school has been repurposed to become the Indoctrination Center. This serves three functions: first, it relieves (liberal) parents of the responsibility of caring for their children. All liberals despise responsibility. Second, it enables to liberals to preach the liberal mantra to captive audiences while their minds are still impressionable, and finally, it provides jobs for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of bureaucrats and unionized clock-punchers who vote democrat and give money to liberal-inspired causes. In return, we get incrementally dumber children who can't find their own country on a map, can't do math or lack the education to make something of themselves, leaving them open to more liberal manipulation later on in life.

133. Obama has drones and the NSA, which kill people and violate people's privacy on a daily basis. Amazon proposes drones and runs a computerized information storage and retrieval system that might one day deliver groceries and medication to your doorstep. According to the liberal, only government (and liberal-controlled government) can make adequate use of these technologies while protecting human rights and guaranteeing our safety and security. The private sector's use and expansion of technology must be controlled by the government, ostensibly for our own good, while government uses it to violate people's rights and destroy their lives and property whenever it feels justified in it's quest to create the Collective.

134. Liberal Government takes $600 billion dollars from Medicare (tax payer money) and produces a broken website that doesn't work and has tremendous security holes in it, which is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to destroying both the insurance and healthcare industries (so that their roles may be taken over by government later on., as a matter of 'fundamental fairness' (as they like to put it). In the end, the broken website and the deliberately-planned undermining of two industries creates havoc, chaos and dislocation in people's lives. It takes away choices and freedom from the consumer so as to help "the less fortunate", while in the process creating even more "less fortunates". Private industry takes private investment (and much less of it) and creates salable goods and services for a profit and websites that work with complete security, which puts money back into the individuals pocket in terms of dividends and jobs and gives the individual greater freedom of choice (it's called The Free Market). Liberals hate Free Markets because they operate -- successfully --outside the sphere of Liberal Control and Manipulation.

[Clayton_Wetter]

135. Conservatives Believe it When they See It. Liberals See it When they Believe it.

136. Many Conservatives have, at one time or another, been Liberals. No Liberal, however, has ever been a Conservative. This indicates that the Liberal is largely incapable of seeing the flaws in his own ideology, and unable to change his mind or accept an alternate point of view. The liberal celebrates this mental defect as a virtue.

137. A Conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality.

138. The Liberal believes that arresting technological progress for the few (I.e The Global warming scam) is the only way to achieve true progress for the many. He calls himself a Progressive and routinely accuses his enemies of wanting to "turn back the clock" but in all actuality, it is the liberal who lives in the past (in fact, he romanticizes the history of leftists movements and individuals, no matter how violent or corrupt) and who is unable to learn from the mistakes of the past, made in the name of his ideology.

139. The Liberal believes in the equality of outcomes rather than in the equality of opportunity. Therefore, all manner of anti-liberal polices that make a mockery of the word "Equality" (forced integration, Affirmative Action, legal action instead of democratic process, dehumanization of enemies real or perceived, government-engineered theft) must be enforced in order to ensure "Equality", but only the "Equality" the liberal finds politically useful at any given moment in history.

140. Left-leaning groups such as Occupy Wall Street, Greenpeace, Anarchists, and Labor Unions decry the "evils" of capitalism and Classically-liberal democracy without noticing that they are the direct beneficiaries of both systems. Hence, we get the G-20 protester (who wanders the streets in his Urban Guerrilla-chic black clothing -- complete with picture of Che on it! -- produced in a factory in Honduras by someone working 80 hours a week for 12 cents an hour), smashing the windows of a local Starbucks or McDonald's after he's just enjoyed his pre-riot latte and scone there, the Greenpeace activist who begs for donations to save tigers online, the OWS dip(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) who arrived with her seven friends in Daddy''s gas-guzzling SUV sporting a "Split Wood, Not Atoms' bumper sticker, the former machine-press operator who yearns for the day when he can return to the factory and earn a living with his inefficient, 19th-century inspired machine tools, and who gives a (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) if the owner of the company loses money in the process? . These people are largely (mis-)informed, organized, supported, nurtured and sustained by the fruits of the internet, modern communications, wealth extracted from others by donation, wage or tax, and have their actions protected by a system of laws and a Constitution that were the by-products of Classically-liberal democracy. These are NOT people of conscience; they are boobs.

141. The Liberal fails to recognize that it is stable, free, economically-viable democratic societies which have the time and comfort to debate whether a woman has the right to abort an inconvenient fetus, or whether your local McDonald's cashier should earn the same money as the policeman or construction worker. Their answer to such questions (they call them "pressing social issues" which quickly become "crises") is invariably some variation on a theme which creates instability, decreases freedom, and redistributes wealth from the productive to the unproductive. The Liberal aims to solve small problems by, in effect, creating larger ones...and always under government control and management.

142. The True Believer Liberal is typically NOT a member of an underclass or a member of an oppressed group; they are typically the irrationally-guilty and brainwashed children of the very privileged Middle Classes, which they secretly hate and seek to destroy. The liberal does what he does not to benefit anyone, but to make himself feel (and appear) better than he is, and to assuage his sense of guilt for having been born to a better station in life. And to get back at his parents who gave him every advantage in life. The proof of this: you cannot name one prominent Leftist of the last 50 years in America who either didn't start out as a millionaire, or who didn't end up that way, at the expense of others, but who still managed to talk a good game.

143. In a Liberal World, The Lie must always remain one step ahead of The Truth in order to maintain the facade of both the benevolent Leftist and the benevolent Collective. When this can no longer be accomplished or maintained, the Liberal begins to re-write both history and the facts (see #130), so that we can have the curious spectacle of a president who said "you can keep your plan and doctor" furiously explaining why the words he actually spoke bear no relation to what he actually means, and how you were too stupid to notice it. If the Liberal is ever caught and held responsible for this deliberate game of substituting Lies for Truth, it is always someone else's fault that she was forced to lie in order to serve a greater good..

144. In a Liberal World, all Freedoms cut only one way....and which way that cuts depends on what the Liberal needs to believe or espouse today in order to justify or preserve the dream of the All-powerful Collective, and to excuse their lying, cheating, and thuggery. Typically, freedoms exist only for the Liberal, and must be taken away or lessened for everyone else.

145. Liberals are the real racists in America. They all believe, in the black little pits they call souls, that women, minorities, gays, the poor, immigrants, and every other aggrieved group in the country cannot survive or prosper without their help. This help is usually delivered in a backhandedly-condescending and degrading form (i.e. Affirmative Action, Welfare, racial quotas), and does little to actually help anyone achieve happiness or prosperity because it is primarily designed to make people dependent upon the State, and thus, on the Liberal. In return, the Liberal gets to dictate the activities, tastes, thoughts, political ideology, voting habits and so forth of "the needy’, as a prerequisite for receiving more “help” in the future.

[25drtrkr]

Nature Boy Rick Flair would say...........Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Good post, CW!.......Im sure that will bring out the Democra....I mean Liberals!

[TS FAN]

Wow, that is some rant. Just typing all of that would wear me out. good sources.