Tiregate lawsuit?

[Barbecueboy]

hey Jeff, dont let all this bullsh!t scare you off, ive been around dirt racing a long time and can count on one hand the ACTUAL law suits concerning something like this , years ago when a track down here changed the rules during a race and DQed me, i actually thought about legal action , and had every right to, but in the end, wasn't worth it, it worked out though, there just a shadow now of what they were then. I know we have had a few disagreements in the past, but the truth is, racing needs deals like yours, so hang in there...........

Exactly........in jeffs earlier dramatizations of how dirt racing was over because of this lawsuit he mentioned that he was concerned about getting sued and the costs associated of getting his scales right.

The weekenders will be fine and most will have the same feelings toward it that you do......it's just not worth the hassle.

The touring guys however, have every right to expect everything to be 100% buttoned up on rules, regulations and their enforcement...........they roll in on million dollar budgets and high profile sponsors dimes.......do you really think these guys are going to not demand a better system and more transparent policy in place???

[W2Racing09]

He!! i PM him my phone N after i spent a hour on the Phone with My Lawyer to help him.. Hes a Dirt nut like Me,, and Gave me a way too help Him,, so far no call so i guess he Realy dont want the help....

A few things

1 ). Being a promoter isn't my day job (I'm currently at my day job on site at a training in a room full of people so I can't be on the phone)

2 ). I didn't see that I had a PM

3 ). Is your lawyer working for free? Is every lawyer working for free? Because that is the issue - I certainly appreciate any help I can get but unless someone can provide a free lawyer for every series and track out there the issues I'm talking about still exist for other small series and tracks that I'm not involved with as well.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[racingfool32]

I can be PM you a guide on how to block someone. I've used that feature before myself.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Please PM me so I don't have to read the Bloomaroids crap as much.

[Barbecueboy]

I deleted my posts at the advice of someone else for no reason other than that I continually referenced my affiliation with a series and some of my posts were less than pleasant toward you or others and don't want that affiliation made at least not in the same posts. From the beginning I said I wasn't going to stop being a fan of racing and that includes posting on here, but I'm going to try not to mention the series in posts that are talking about other stuff. I'm never going to be like Kelley Carlton or other series promoters who get on here to just promote their series and answer questions and that it, they do it the right way but I can't help myself so I just need to keep things separate as much as possible.

Thanks,
Jeff.

Ok, if you say so..........

[Barbecueboy]

How so? I'm not disputing the state laws, federal laws, etc. I'm stating how the involvement of lawyers, etc. don't help the sport especially small series with small budgets. I've given an example, and while others may consider it unrealistic it is an issue that will be faced. If someone wants to confirm that every state requires tracks to have their scales certified (by saying directly that tracks need to certify scales, not implying that as weighing cars are a commercial transaction whereby money is given out based on the results) then it is a non issue (although still there will be tracks that don't stay on top of it even when it is required). I'm not saying anyone is wrong, or that their ideas are bad (tr3--- I don't remember exactly the rest of his UN had a great idea for instance) just that there are other considerations to be made from my experience dealing with this stuff. If you think every small series is headed up by someone that knows where to dot all the i's and cross all the t's legally you are very incorrect. I see a lot of series where people don't even know how to run a fb page or website -- but the sport certainly has always needed those series. This is going to become an issue as more drivers see this as a possible avenue (whether they actually deserve to win the case or not). I'm pretty well versed in all the possible risks involved but I know guys that are promoting series on handshake type deals and have in the past done well with that -- I think that is a lot of the spirit of dirt racing, we might fights and argue and what not but we all love the sport and try to do what we think is best for it. We are getting away from that as more people look to do what is best for only themselves. I consider Bloomquist to be a really smart guy, the only way I can rationalize this classic example of biting the hand that feeds you is that he sees he will be retiring soon or something and wants to cash in on this because it will do irreversible damage to the grassroots level of the sport.

The only thing being done that's irreversible is shedding light on a crappy system in place to get the accurate results that the series are looking for.......

That is what is going to be irreversible , and I don't really see any damage that can come from it ..........except for damaging a few egos that still say everything is just peachy doing it the way we've always done it.

Nobody stuffing that tire Jeannie back in the bottle.............I'm a fan of smaller series, have helped financially with several and will continue to do so.

[W2Racing09]

Please PM me so I don't have to read the Bloomaroids crap as much.

Here is the gist of it. Let me know if you encounter any issues. I've never uploaded an image before so if it does not work I can PM. Also you may need to zoom in to clearly see the screenshots.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Cardirt0]

A few things

1 ). Being a promoter isn't my day job (I'm currently at my day job on site at a training in a room full of people so I can't be on the phone)

2 ). I didn't see that I had a PM

3 ). Is your lawyer working for free? Is every lawyer working for free? Because that is the issue - I certainly appreciate any help I can get but unless someone can provide a free lawyer for every series and track out there the issues I'm talking about still exist for other small series and tracks that I'm not involved with as well.

Thanks,
Jeff.

(1) will you were not at work when I sent it to you
(2) sorry you did not see it
(3) No he dont work for Free If you are Sued.. But he will help me too help you too set it up so you dont get sued... Get it.. I cant speak too good at times cause of my M.S. but if you call and speak to me.. Its hard for he to speak,,, I will try too help you
(4) Sorry but the Good old days are GONE

[D. Tidrow]

The only thing being done that's irreversible is shedding light on a crappy system in place to get the accurate results that the series are looking for.......That is what is going to be irreversible , and I don't really see any damage that can come from it ..........except for damaging a few egos that still say everything is just peachy doing it the way we've always done it.Nobody stuffing that tire Jeannie back in the bottle.............I'm a fan of smaller series, have helped financially with several and will continue to do so.

This!!!! Post!!! Listen Jeff, I'm not hating on you, but you have to be realistic. I love what you do for the sport. I'm just saying there are certain things that you can do to protect yourself. When somebody labels somebody a cheater, you better be able to back that up. Whether anybody believes these allegations or not, these five drivers not only bloomquest feel otherwise. We can speculate all we want but now it's for the courts to decide.

[W2Racing09]

The only thing being done that's irreversible is shedding light on a crappy system in place to get the accurate results that the series are looking for.......

That is what is going to be irreversible , and I don't really see any damage that can come from it ..........except for damaging a few egos that still say everything is just peachy doing it the way we've always done it.

Nobody stuffing that tire Jeannie back in the bottle.............I'm a fan of smaller series, have helped financially with several and will continue to do so.

I hope you are right that no damage will come from it but I definitely can't shake the feeling that this is really bad. We will see I guess.

Thanks for supporting racing.

Jeff.

[x5lives]

WHY do you think he called in the State to check the Scales.. And when the State said they were Wrong he Proved it...If they were off by 30 or more pounds and he was lite 10 pounds that means he was over 2300 pounds .. GOD a 4 year old can add that up.....

Except according to some timeline, the scales weren't checked for almost a month, start your conspiracy theory. The fact of the matter is the scale was the standard for that night. Maybe we should go ahead and run the car through wash, scrape all the mud off, quarantine it, let it dry and then weigh it. This is a crap deal all around, but it will hurt racing more if the drivers win than the promoters winning.

[Cardirt0]

One thing a lot of people dont know is Smoke has Insurance for this.. WRG if they dont have Insurance for this then they are Stupid .. 2nd thing if Insurance is involved they well want to try too pay as Little as they can.... Meaning about 20% of what they are Suing for to End it fast and to keep cost down...I see this never making Far.. Just a Pay off...With a under standing that the people will be worked out the rules, too all on what to do if it happen agen...

[W2Racing09]

This!!!! Post!!! Listen Jeff, I'm not hating on you, but you have to be realistic. I love what you do for the sport. I'm just saying there are certain things that you can do to protect yourself. When somebody labels somebody a cheater, you better be able to back that up. Whether anybody believes these allegations or not, these five drivers not only bloomquest feel otherwise. We can speculate all we want but now it's for the courts to decide.

That is apparent, at this point if I have to I have to -- I just think back to when I first started the series and was like a deer in the headlights with a lot of stuff, I do think it has been a great thing for the region and it worries me that less and less people will want to get involved on this side the more complicated and risky it gets. With low car counts all around and things like that maybe less tracks and series is what the world of dirt racing needs. Its just a tough pill for me to swallow.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

One thing a lot of people dont know is Smoke has Insurance for this.. WRG if they dont have Insurance for this then they are Stupid .. 2nd thing if Insurance is involved they well want to try too pay as Little as they can.... Meaning about 20% of what they are Suing for to End it fast and to keep cost down...I see this never making Far.. Just a Pay off...With a under standing that the people will be worked out the rules, too all on what to do if it happen agen...

Well one thing is for sure, if you are right and the drivers win you can expect the insurance premiums for all the tracks all over the country to go up a considerable amount.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[x5lives]

If Bloomer wins the suit will he give back the 50 Grand he stole from Moyer at Cedar Lake?

[Cardirt0]

Well one thing is for sure, if you are right and the drivers win you can expect the insurance premiums for all the tracks all over the country to go up a considerable amount.

Thanks,
Jeff.

No not much they will make the track have new rules to cover there a$$...FarmerCity had to upgrade somethings 2 years ago and then the insurance was Happy.. Call Cover your a$$....