Tiregate lawsuit?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The technician need not know anything about race car tires. An understanding of how to do a chemical analysis is all that matters.

These guys cooked their tires to toughen them up and they failed the test. Too bad. Move on.

[Cardirt0]

Our state of Illinois scales man, who's been around for awhile said yesterday that he has never tested a scale at a race track. Lot of grey area on this scale debate imo

2d has something here. I have spoken to 2 people that works at Illinois office and got 2 complete Deff anc. that are not close to the same.. 2d says the the 3th person (he has spoken to) told him He dont do them... and.. I was Told that they are too be done.. So the State Office not so shore, If they Have to, Do not have to.. But the Race was not here so in this case it dont matter here for now,,,
A old timer told me that they USE to do them and Then just stopped doing them...IN Ill. So from state to state it changes.. and this state dont inforce it no more (At lease that the way it looks)... This is a MESS........

[Cardirt0]

What I have come to is the States that you Have to have the Scales tested this Lawsuit would work.. and in states that dont have them Tested it would not.. So that is why it in Ohio that they Sued..In Ill its not clear If they have to or dont have to be Tested...I have spent HOURS and I can not Find out witch it is...Thanks to 2drace I would not have looked Deeper but for him PM me...I looked some more As of Now I can not tell What the LAW is In ILL...

[wfo2007]

You guys keep saying damaging the sport via this lawsuit. I do not agree, i believe WRG and UMP have damaged this sport for years and now someone has had enough and got the Lawyers involved.

Read the complaints above, it clearly spells out half a$$ testing. No chemicals were found, no foreign chemicals were found, stated very clearly. But the tires showed different results, why? They dont even know why, then they re-test and the results still dont match the prior results. The whole process if bogus.

Like or not WRG screwed the pooch royally, and they have there feet to the fire, and i say good. If your gonna run a sanctioning body you better have enough brains to govern it fairly.

As for the weight, its pretty simple, the scales were proven to be out of calibration. It doesn't matter if everyone else passed, that only means everyone else was carrying to much weight around.

I'm just curious how people would comment differently if it wasn't Bloomquist and Owens involved and was only Satterlee, Sheppard and Thorton. I think most opinions are based on loving or hating Bloomquist.

[Cardirt0]

I'm just curious how people would comment differently if it wasn't Bloomquist and Owens involved and was only Satterlee, Sheppard and Thorton. I think most opinions are based on loving or hating Bloomquist.

Yea opinions are like A$$holes all people have one..and this one Has people on sides because of Who it is.. and its so FAR from Who it is...The Sport is a mess.. I dont think this is the way too clean it up..
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The other day i said we need a Union for the drivers... and a lot of people got all over me.. Will let me put it to you this way.... If all DLM drives were in a Union the drivers with no money could keep the Drivers with lots of money in line...and then they could work out the Rules with the Lucas, WoO and UMP and all other S bodys.. the Union would keeps the drivers in Line thanks too the Drivers that just want too race....Drivers that just want to race LOTS drivers with money 15 to 20

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I'm just curious how people would comment differently if it wasn't Bloomquist and Owens involved and was only Satterlee, Sheppard and Thorton. I think most opinions are based on loving or hating Bloomquist.

People with critical thinking skills realize this is very dangerous if it were Jim Moon or Brian Gray doing the same thing.

[Kromulous]

My dislike of WRG and or UMP stems alot from racing UMP Modifieds. We pretty much don't have anything to do with either racing Late Models now, unless were at another track than Florence and not running Lucas.

I can speak from 1st hand experience, i have used it Karting, and UMP mods etc. Tire cheating is a scham, its not nearly as big of problem the general fan makes it out to be. I think its mole hill crying over a mountain, but its cheating ! its like some people comparing tire cheating to shooting somebody, its really ridiculous.

We all have known for sometime that this Issue was gonna come to a head, and YES Bloomquist is a premere figure in the DLM racing, so he does draw more attention. At the end of the day the sanctioning body has to come up with a new way to handle this issue.

IMHO, a hand out RR, and FFA (F'ing Free for All) on the other 3 corners is about the best you can do. This is for big races, crown jewels as you guys say. If you want to get tighter control, spec a RF too.

[ClampedUp]

The technician need not know anything about race car tires. An understanding of how to do a chemical analysis is all that matters.

These guys cooked their tires to toughen them up and they failed the test. Too bad. Move on.

Please show 100% proof and actual evidence that the tires were altered by any one of these drivers.
The lab has come up with three different results but you have evidence of what they done.
Maybe WRG and Eldora should call you as an expert witness....

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Please show 100% proof and actual evidence that the tires were altered by any one of these drivers.
The lab has come up with three different results but you have evidence of what they done.
Maybe WRG and Eldora should call you as an expert witness....

Please show evidence of what was determined by all 3 of these tests.

[Barbecueboy]

This case isn't around one man. It is serious because it could set precedence on how the sport will be governed in the future. It will also make promotors and sponsors Leary of this business because of a lawsuit of this magnitude. Support of something like this could destroy it because contrary to what most people believe most promoters left in this business are barley holding on. Look at the thickness of a National Speedway directory from 2000 and look at a 2016 the 2016 one is half as thick. The print is still the same size. Guess what we are loosing race tracks very quickly. And yes Barbequeboy will say this lawsuit isn't the only reason. Well he is right it isn't but it will be one reasons a lot of promoters will change their minds on how much money they are willing to loose and this is a serious amount.

The same current promoters and series we are talking about?......yes, it will make them leary because clearly they think everything is fine the way it is and they don't want to change it.
A new more forward thinking round of promoters and series owners that understand how the 21rst century works will come in and fill that antiquated vacuum with a buttoned up set of rules and regs with a much higher rate of catching ACTUAL cheaters.

I have no idea how the courts are going to actually end up ruling , but for you guys to act like the sky is falling ( just because bloomer is one of the 5) is a bit premature.

If you really want my opinion,the reason the whole dirt world is on there ear is because these guys and this suit are going to be exposing some dirty little secrets on how it all goes from beginning to end.

Something that wrg and the rest want no part of..........prediction still stands, this will settle, wrg admits no fault, tire rules continue to evolve and scales now will be certified at all major series events.

[stevo]

We used to have a gravel yard,one time the state came in and checked our scales,they weighed a little heavy. They checked our receipts for 60 days and we had to give about 3% of gravel to all who bought gravel. Then we repaired them and they checked us and they weighed 5% light,but they did not tell the buyers to pay us,but the scales should be right if money changes hands,as far as the tires he got cought!

[Barbecueboy]

The technician need not know anything about race car tires. An understanding of how to do a chemical analysis is all that matters.

These guys cooked their tires to toughen them up and they failed the test. Too bad. Move on.

You may be right on a couple of them MB, just don't think they all did.........funny thing is, in my opinion the guys that didn't are going to eventually end up clearing the guys that did before this is all over.

[Barbecueboy]

you might know all about it because I DON'T LIVE IN ST LOUIS HAHAHA the jokes on you

Ferguson, St. Louis.......same difference.

[Barbecueboy]

and if this goes thru tracks across the country could just close up congrats scott but how ca n scot defend the scales problem when all other drivers made weight plus is his scales state certified , those 5 may not intentionly doped the tires either but everyday chemicals they use on the car can trigger off the labs

On your last line.........if what you say is true , it's all the more reason to modify the tire rule.
If everyday chemicals they use to wipe the car down , loosen a part etc. will set the lab result off then someone at wrg needs to identify what that is and take it out of the equation of making the tire illegal.......because clearly it's not used maliciously to cheat.

And after all,the rule is about catching cheaters.........right?

[NormP]

If this is what kills the sport, oh well, it was so weak it was going to die anyway. Life goes on.