Tiregate lawsuit?

[old fan]

explain what you mean by bogus. It seems like you are thinking that i'm saying the scales need to be re calibrated every race which is not the case. As you say every one or two or three years or even more i've seen them work fine.for the purpose of certification by the state they don't just slap a sticker on your portable scales and hope you have the sense to set them up in the perfect spot every time. As you transported them from track to track they would need to send someone to re certify them at each spot where they would be used (in this case it would be at each track). Nobody is saying the scales themselves would be out of wack, but where they are set up can greatly effect their accuracy.

which is what more expenses who will pay for it doesn't matter how it adds up

[a25rjr]

Explain what you mean by bogus. It seems like you are thinking that I'm saying the scales need to be re calibrated every race which is not the case. As you say every one or two or three years or even more I've seen them work fine.

For the purpose of certification by the state they don't just slap a sticker on your portable scales and hope you have the sense to set them up in the perfect spot every time. As you transported them from track to track they would need to send someone to re certify them at each spot where they would be used (in this case it would be at each track). Nobody is saying the scales themselves would be out of wack, but where they are set up can greatly effect their accuracy.

Usually when portable scales are used for racecars, we try to level them as much as possible, so our measurements are consistent. It would not matter when using them for total weight.

[t3r3e3]

Alright -- well we currently use the track scales as is and that sounds pretty similar to the "track scales trump all" mandate. Especially if (as I've been informed) all tracks in PA need to have their scales certified. It's hard enough to get race dates (last year almost half of our events were at the same track, which caused a lot of complaining) at new tracks. I'm not going to go inspect their scales personally prior to signing the date, especially when noteworthy series such as Appalachian Speedweeks or PA Sprint Speedweek race there annually. I wouldn't even know how to inspect them beyond checking for a certification.

To me the fact checking is simple. Ask the track if they have a current inspection tag/sticker from the state certifying their track scales? Ask them if the certification runs through the date you plan on running a race there? If yes and yes, you're golden. If yes to first, and no to second, then make sure they get an annual visit before your series shows up to race. My solution makes the tracks make a phone call and get a quick visit to certify their scale. Pretty simple, and results in no purchase of portable scales by the series, no worry over level setup, repeated calibration, and other issues.

Put another way, shoot holes in my idea. Tell me why it would not work.

[Barbecueboy]

Now what would WoO/WRG want to frame Old Bloomer Puss?
The way these guys on here talk,he is Late Model Racing,without him racing is over.

I think your over thinking it........they don't want to frame anybody.....they just got it wrong.


Maybe not with with everybody on everything , but they got it wrong.......and apparently wrong enough to the right racers.


Nobody ever plans on getting sued...........poor planning is what gets you sued.

[t3r3e3]

I'm not saying your suggestion isn't good -- I'm arguing the fact that you called the argument light and without merit. This is obviously an issue that would effect a series in a state where certification isn't required. If not required I doubt many tracks (if any -- I mean, if Eldora didn't do it then who is going to) would be certified. So if you set a rule that you would only give a date to tracks that have certified scales and no tracks have certified scales then you have no dates. Or you maintain your own scales at a big cost. In a state such as PA your suggestion is great advice, I was just saying it is still a valid issue for tracks that don't run in PA or a state that regulates track scales.

It was a poor choice of words on my part, apologies for that. Just trying to simplify things. I come from a non race directing background, but have experience with incident management. My .02 is that simplifying your duties as a sanctioning body and director on race day is going to allow you to maximize the chances of putting on a great show. Worrying about scale setup on race day takes away from other things you could be doing. A little prep in the planning phase (tracks certify their scales in the offseason) takes the weight issue out of the equation during the operations phase (race day). Less variables on race day means a more predictable event flow for you.

[Barbecueboy]

little worried now aren't you , you know tony and company will have plenty of legal advice

Good legal advice will be telling them to settle, throw a pacifier out to fix the problem and move far far away from this.......

What's really surprising to me is that Tony being who he is and eldora being what it is that the scale thing wasn't set up to be inspected regularly anyway.......I mean it's el freakin dora and the scales are an intrigal part of the racing program.
Just seems like a no brainer.

This is 2016, no way in hell people are going to just roll over if they think they are the ones that got steamrolled.......

[Barbecueboy]

What about this one. Did you happen to read this one?

I sure did......read like I needed to buckle down , get some M.R.E's and prepare for dirt racing apocalypse .....doomsday prepper style.


Dirt racing over because Wrg getting sued...........pfffft!

[Barbecueboy]

If you mean me, nope. I just replied to the scaling issue. If the tracks you select for series races have certified scales ( a relatively simple inspection by the state), then wouldn't weight be a non-issue? Thus, making your promoting duties slightly less complicated? Just proposing a simple solution to a seemingly large problem.

He makes it sound like a large problem only to bolster the argument he is trying to make........most sensible readers easily spot and dismiss that as fodder.

[kidrock]

Well just maybe Babb wasn't light after all lol

[Barbecueboy]

No, that was in reference to BBQ.

As you say that is how we do it, the past four or six or however many pages have been in reference to BBQ thinking it is unacceptable for scales to be off by a few lbs. We have raced at some pretty high profile tracks this year that have scales off by 10-20-even 30 lbs. just this season.

A few pounds??? Did you read what the complaint said was discovered in weight swing when they were tested?( or hell, maybe I mis read it.)

Dude, if that's a few pounds then you must have one heck of a bowling average or golf handicap.

[old fan]

good legal advice will be telling them to settle, throw a pacifier out to fix the problem and move far far away from this.......what's really surprising to me is that tony being who he is and eldora being what it is that the scale thing wasn't set up to be inspected regularly anyway.......i mean it's el freakin dora and the scales are an intrigal part of the racing program.just seems like a no brainer.this is 2016, no way in hell people are going to just roll over if they think they are the ones that got steamrolled.......

read the dang rule book

[old fan]

i sure did......read like i needed to buckle down , get some m.r.e's and prepare for dirt racing apocalypse .....doomsday prepper style.dirt racing over because wrg getting sued...........pfffft!

do you know how BIG wrg is

[Barbecueboy]

again read the rule book

My reading skillz are in question, not sure if I know how to???

[kidrock]

I wonder what Earl would have told the gang of 5?

[old fan]

THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING YOU and all the bloomer lovers or the one saying the scales should be certified this a portion how big wrg is with 12 classes http://www.dirtcarump.com/tracks/