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  • onlyfacts
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 395

    #511
    Originally posted by Centeroff View Post
    So you can definitely find anything on the internet. A buddy of mine found the entire case brought upon Eldora speedway by the 5 drivers. By reading the affidavit it forced me to dig even deeper to the Ohio scales/weights/measures etc. bleeding blue is exactly right, those scales have to be certified by the state of Ohio bimonthly. If the scales weren't certified, Tony is gonna cut Bloomquist a fat check. These guys have hired an high powered attorney from New York and they mean business. Also another fact I found that really caught my attention was UMP only sends a portion of the tires from each car to the lab to be tested, also believe it or not they actually send samples of dirt from the racing surface which proves jack Chit imo. Anyways, Scott was smart enough to keep a portion of the tire and in which he sent to another independent lab and supposedly the results came back perfect. Where the problem lies is, what if the portion of tire tested by the UMP and the portion Scott had tested come back different? By that I mean the courts are gonna send all samples to the lab in which they choose and if that lab finds that the samples in which the UMP tested are hot and Scotts samples aren't??? That would prove that either the UMP or their "independent" caught caugh.. Lab purposely tainted the tires of the suspend drivers. If that is the case oh my..?? Also I really do not understand the point in Eldora not allowing the merchandise trailers on the property. Sounds to me and many like some funny chit going on.
    Explain how the samples Scott sent in can be proven that they came from the tire he used?

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    • old fan
      Banned
      • Jan 2016
      • 4191

      #512
      Originally posted by a25rjr View Post
      Even yourself cant possibly believe that! The sport is where it is today because of Scott. He has consistently raised the bar for everyone for the last 25 years! Its ok to not like him, but at least be honest!And, NO, he will not destroy it. This lawsuit will make it better. Now all the series will have to step up their game!
      sorry the sport does not revolve around one man no matter who they are

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      • Barbecueboy
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 18116

        #513
        I love how you guys say this will destroy the sport........in my opinion, what led to all this is destroying the sport.

        If accurate and after reading all I can read that has been published so far, it sounds a lot like there may be a colored gentleman hiding in the woodpile behind wrg headquarters......for their sake, sure hope not.
        Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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        • onlyfacts
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2014
          • 395

          #514
          Originally posted by Highside Hustler25 View Post
          Can't speak for Ohio but I've spoken to 2 track owners in Illinois on this subject. They both laughed.
          I bet when it is over the scale issue will be nothing. Because i talked to a track owner that said he had weights and measures people at his track every year to certify his gas pumps because they were used to sell something. Someone reported him to the state for disqualifying a car for to light and state came out and said it was not an issue because the scale wasn't being used to sell anything.

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          • Barbecueboy
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 18116

            #515
            Originally posted by onlyfacts View Post
            Explain how the samples Scott sent in can be proven that they came from the tire he used?
            He can use the same bullshot scenario that wrg uses.........everybody seems to have complete faith in their explanation of how the collection system works.
            Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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            • Barbecueboy
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 18116

              #516
              Originally posted by old fan View Post
              sorry the sport does not revolve around one man no matter who they are
              The extreme sport of sidewalk surfing in St. Louis does........just sayin
              Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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              • Barbecueboy
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 18116

                #517
                Originally posted by onlyfacts View Post
                I bet when it is over the scale issue will be nothing. Because i talked to a track owner that said he had weights and measures people at his track every year to certify his gas pumps because they were used to sell something. Someone reported him to the state for disqualifying a car for to light and state came out and said it was not an issue because the scale wasn't being used to sell anything.
                The scale was most certainly used in determining pay...........but what do I know, just a cook at the tin foil cafe?
                Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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                • onlyfacts
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 395

                  #518
                  Originally posted by old fan View Post
                  sorry the sport does not revolve around one man no matter who they are
                  This case isn't around one man. It is serious because it could set precedence on how the sport will be governed in the future. It will also make promotors and sponsors Leary of this business because of a lawsuit of this magnitude. Support of something like this could destroy it because contrary to what most people believe most promoters left in this business are barley holding on. Look at the thickness of a National Speedway directory from 2000 and look at a 2016 the 2016 one is half as thick. The print is still the same size. Guess what we are loosing race tracks very quickly. And yes Barbequeboy will say this lawsuit isn't the only reason. Well he is right it isn't but it will be one reasons a lot of promoters will change their minds on how much money they are willing to loose and this is a serious amount.
                  Last edited by onlyfacts; 08-31-2016, 09:17 AM.

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                  • old fan
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 4191

                    #519
                    Originally posted by Barbecueboy View Post
                    The extreme sport of sidewalk surfing in St. Louis does........just sayin
                    you might know all about it because I DON'T LIVE IN ST LOUIS HAHAHA the jokes on you

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                    • W2Racing09
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1691

                      #520
                      Originally posted by onlyfacts View Post
                      This case isn't around one man. It is serious because it could set precedence on how the sport will be governed in the future. It will also make promotors and sponsors Leary of this business because of a lawsuit of this magnitude. Support of something like this could destroy it because contrary to what most people believe most promoters left in this business are barley holding on. Look at the thickness of a National Speedway directory from 2000 and look at a 2016 the 2016 one is half as thick. The print is still the same size. Guess what we are loosing race tracks very quickly. And yes Barbequeboy will say this lawsuit isn't the only reason. Well he is right it isn't but it will be one reasons a lot of promoters will change their minds on how much money they are willing to loose and this is a serious amount.
                      Amen.

                      Thanks,
                      Jeff.

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                      • old fan
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 4191

                        #521
                        Originally posted by onlyfacts View Post
                        This case isn't around one man. It is serious because it could set precedence on how the sport will be governed in the future. It will also make promotors and sponsors Leary of this business because of a lawsuit of this magnitude. Support of something like this could destroy it because contrary to what most people believe most promoters left in this business are barley holding on. Look at the thickness of a National Speedway directory from 2000 and look at a 2016 the 2016 one is half as thick. The print is still the same size. Guess what we are loosing race tracks very quickly. And yes Barbequeboy will say this lawsuit isn't the only reason. Well he is right it isn't but it will be one reasons a lot of promoters will change their minds on how much money they are willing to loose and this is a serious amount.
                        and if this goes thru tracks across the country could just close up congrats scott but how ca n scot defend the scales problem when all other drivers made weight plus is his scales state certified , those 5 may not intentionly doped the tires either but everyday chemicals they use on the car can trigger off the labs

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                        • MasterSbilt_Racer
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 14324

                          #522
                          Originally posted by a25rjr View Post
                          Even yourself cant possibly believe that! The sport is where it is today because of Scott. He has consistently raised the bar for everyone for the last 25 years! Its ok to not like him, but at least be honest!

                          And, NO, he will not destroy it. This lawsuit will make it better. Now all the series will have to step up their game!
                          Raising the bar, does nothing for the health of the sport. The lawsuit could be catastrophic for the health of the sport.
                          Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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                          • Necrosis
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 379

                            #523
                            SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION37. On June 9, 2016, Plaintiff Scott Bloomquist participated in a preliminary race, leading to the 2016 edition of the “The Late Model Dream” held on June 11, 2016. Having finished second in that event, a rubber sample was taken from one of the tires on his racecar, for eventual “blind” analysis by an allegedly independent laboratory to determine if the tire from which the sample was taken was in compliance with the rule promulgated by WRG and forbidding “Chemical alterations, vulcanizing, tire softening, defacing and/or altering the face of the tire….Chemicals or tire softening is not permitted…”38. In what are purported to be “blind tests” the lab results include the names of each driver whose tire was tested.39. A technician from Blue Ridge Laboratories (the laboratory which tested tire samples for WRG), testified (at a WRG-conducted appeal hearing) that her examination found that “the sample did not match the benchmark supplied by the tire manufacturer”. The lab tests did not reveal the presence of any foreign substance in the sample taken from the Bloomquist racecar.40. The lab representative was unable to state any familiarity with the operation of race tires on racecars, specifically, she not aware of what temperature the tires operate at during racing.41. While some of the Plaintiffs herein were provided with a graph of the supposed “benchmark” test result, Mr. Bloomquist was not.42. While the sole justification offered by WRG for the disqualification of Scott Bloomquist was that the driver’s sample test results did not match the “benchmark”, graphs provided showed that two tests done on samples from the same tire did not match each other.43. There has been no evidence offered by WRG which identifies any foreign substance present in Mr. Bloomquist’s tire sample.

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                            • Necrosis
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 379

                              #524
                              44. There has been no evidence offered by WRG to account for possible chemical change caused by heat that the tires are subjected to during racing.45. There has been no evidence offered by WRG to show that any chemical alteration, or other prohibited treatment of Mr. Bloomquist’s tire occurred.46. Subsequent to the disqualification, samples from the same tire were sent to Blue Ridge Labs anonymously and the lab report stated that that sample did match the benchmark. Not only were the two tests done by Blue Ridge at the behest of WRG not consistent, a subsequent test done by the same lab yielded yet another result.47. As a result of chemical analysis which was at best inconclusive, if not falsified, Plaintiff Scott Bloomquist was deprived of cash winnings, fines, and as a result of the suspension levied by WRG, is deprived of the opportunity to race for three months impacting his ability to earn a living. Further, his reputation, as a sports celebrity, has been damaged, which impacts his ability to market himself to fans and potential sponsors.48. The baseless allegation, coupled with public statements by WRG, that Mr. Bloomquist cheated, amounts to slander.49. As result of the deprivation of prize monies, opportunities to compete in other races, and the slander which attributes cheating behavior without basis in fact, Mr. Bloomquist has been damaged in the amount of Two Million Dollars.

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                              • Kromulous
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2007
                                • 3008

                                #525
                                You guys keep saying damaging the sport via this lawsuit. I do not agree, i believe WRG and UMP have damaged this sport for years and now someone has had enough and got the Lawyers involved.

                                Read the complaints above, it clearly spells out half a$$ testing. No chemicals were found, no foreign chemicals were found, stated very clearly. But the tires showed different results, why? They dont even know why, then they re-test and the results still dont match the prior results. The whole process if bogus.

                                Like or not WRG screwed the pooch royally, and they have there feet to the fire, and i say good. If your gonna run a sanctioning body you better have enough brains to govern it fairly.

                                As for the weight, its pretty simple, the scales were proven to be out of calibration. It doesn't matter if everyone else passed, that only means everyone else was carrying to much weight around.

                                Just say no...

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