Tiregate lawsuit?

[Barbecueboy]

Raising the bar, does nothing for the health of the sport. The lawsuit could be catastrophic for the health of the sport.

And sitting around and doing nothing ( although not as catastrophic of an ending) will achieve the exact same result.

The days of racing on Saturday and finding out who won on Wednesday need to be over......at all costs.

[Barbecueboy]

You guys keep saying damaging the sport via this lawsuit. I do not agree, i believe WRG and UMP have damaged this sport for years and now someone has had enough and got the Lawyers involved.

Read the complaints above, it clearly spells out half a$$ testing. No chemicals were found, no foreign chemicals were found, stated very clearly. But the tires showed different results, why? They dont even know why, then they re-test and the results still dont match the prior results. The whole process if bogus.

Like or not WRG screwed the pooch royally, and they have there feet to the fire, and i say good. If your gonna run a sanctioning body you better have enough brains to govern it fairly.

As for the weight, its pretty simple, the scales were proven to be out of calibration. It doesn't matter if everyone else passed, that only means everyone else was carrying to much weight around.

There was a guy on here a couple months back saying the same exact things and was being heckled by three laughing heyenas.

Wonder where all those guys are at now?

[Barbecueboy]

Please show 100% proof and actual evidence that the tires were altered by any one of these drivers.
The lab has come up with three different results but you have evidence of what they done.
Maybe WRG and Eldora should call you as an expert witness....

Well Scott and all the guys get all their legal advice from me , so using 4 m for legal moxy is something that's already being done.......rotflmao.

[Barbecueboy]

If this is what kills the sport, oh well, it was so weak it was going to die anyway. Life goes on.

You're pretty good lately with the thread ending comments.......well said.


If this is what tips the scales to a complete meltdown of a series or group.......they were already dying to begin with.

What's wrong with teams wanting to be treated fairly? I just don't see the issue........except that all the Scott haters think this is just about him.

[Cardirt0]

This is hard too do Having worked for WoO Lates and being Friends with the Guy that runs it...But If this is what Happens WoO Dies from this,, UMP is sold too someone that cares ...And they fix the Rules.. and drivers Start a Union so that they can over ride the Big buck teams on what needs too be done........

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Not at all. Bill took care of it at that time.

Funny part is, if Bill hadn't "took care of it" ,he'd probably have won that race. He had one of, if not the fastest car that night, and Scott broke with about 30 to go.

[W2Racing09]

The same current promoters and series we are talking about?......yes, it will make them leary because clearly they think everything is fine the way it is and they don't want to change it.
A new more forward thinking round of promoters and series owners that understand how the 21rst century works will come in and fill that antiquated vacuum with a buttoned up set of rules and regs with a much higher rate of catching ACTUAL cheaters.

I have no idea how the courts are going to actually end up ruling , but for you guys to act like the sky is falling ( just because bloomer is one of the 5) is a bit premature.

If you really want my opinion,the reason the whole dirt world is on there ear is because these guys and this suit are going to be exposing some dirty little secrets on how it all goes from beginning to end.

Something that wrg and the rest want no part of..........prediction still stands, this will settle, wrg admits no fault, tire rules continue to evolve and scales now will be certified at all major series events.

Where is this cache of new promoters you are referring to? I would really like to meet them.

[W2Racing09]

This is hard too do Having worked for WoO Lates and being Friends with the Guy that runs it...But If this is what Happens WoO Dies from this,, UMP is sold too someone that cares ...And they fix the Rules.. and drivers Start a Union so that they can over ride the Big buck teams on what needs too be done........

UMP wouldn't be sold to someone who cares, they would be saddled with all of that 16M debt, nobody wants to have to buy that and pay all that debt off. UMP would go under and then those of you who live in IL, IN, and that whole area can see what its like to have unsanctioned racing with each track going in their own direction on rules, etc. so that you have to spend hours switching your car up from track to track.

[jetwind]

You're pretty good lately with the thread ending comments.......well said.


If this is what tips the scales to a complete meltdown of a series or group.......they were already dying to begin with.

What's wrong with teams wanting to be treated fairly? I just don't see the issue........except that all the Scott haters think this is just about him.

exactly rite what if it happens again and there innocent how would u feel let it go a second time knowing that ur not guilty 2 times everyone would think you guilty because you didnt defend yourself i would feel like (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) treating your tires does not make a forsure win and they dont tell u the weight when u cross the scales they only tell u if your lite i have asked before and they just wave u on and say ur fine.

[Cardirt0]

UMP wouldn't be sold to someone who cares, they would be saddled with all of that 16M debt, nobody wants to have to buy that and pay all that debt off. UMP would go under and then those of you who live in IL, IN, and that whole area can see what its like to have unsanctioned racing with each track going in their own direction on rules, etc. so that you have to spend hours switching your car up from track to track.

Not if it Bankrupts them then it would be sold off too the Highest bidder that maybe 100 bucks...There stock is close to in the Tank now.. this may kill them....

[onlyfacts]

The same current promoters and series we are talking about?......yes, it will make them leary because clearly they think everything is fine the way it is and they don't want to change it.A new more forward thinking round of promoters and series owners that understand how the 21rst century works will come in and fill that antiquated vacuum with a buttoned up set of rules and regs with a much higher rate of catching ACTUAL cheaters.I have no idea how the courts are going to actually end up ruling , but for you guys to act like the sky is falling ( just because bloomer is one of the 5) is a bit premature.If you really want my opinion,the reason the whole dirt world is on there ear is because these guys and this suit are going to be exposing some dirty little secrets on how it all goes from beginning to end.Something that wrg and the rest want no part of..........prediction still stands, this will settle, wrg admits no fault, tire rules continue to evolve and scales now will be certified at all major series events.

I bet there will be more on the racer side that when the battle gets in full action there will be things that they won't want public... Like real numbers on apparel sales versus what is reported to IRS.

[Cardirt0]

I bet there will be more on the racer side that when the battle gets in full action there will be things that they won't want public... Like real numbers on apparel sales versus what is reported to IRS.

The Plot thickens ....Lots of Cash not on the Books .. parts sold no sales tax.. Lots of Dirty things.. no way to clean them.. WOOOOOOooooo is me...Good old Boy out the window.....

[BTExpress]

I was was reading the Hoseheads forum on this topic (yes it is a sprint car site) but a totally different slant there than on 4m. Let's just say those posters have no sympathy for the 5 defendants.

[Cardirt0]

I was was reading the Hoseheads forum on this topic (yes it is a sprint car site) but a totally different slant there than on 4m. Let's just say those posters have no sympathy for the 5 defendants.

A lot of the Sprint car drivers are not a bunch of winier and complainers . and most of the People that run the racing Groups run them a lot better...WRG... WoO Sprints VS WoO Late M Not run the same way...

[Cardirt0]

Been at FarmerCity the lates and the Sprints are running ..They call up the Lates not one car up there yet.. They call up the Sprints They are all up there.. Sprint cars drivers are a lot better too work with let me tell you....