Tiregate lawsuit?

[Barbecueboy]

Alright -- well we currently use the track scales as is and that sounds pretty similar to the "track scales trump all" mandate. Especially if (as I've been informed) all tracks in PA need to have their scales certified. It's hard enough to get race dates (last year almost half of our events were at the same track, which caused a lot of complaining) at new tracks. I'm not going to go inspect their scales personally prior to signing the date, especially when noteworthy series such as Appalachian Speedweeks or PA Sprint Speedweek race there annually. I wouldn't even know how to inspect them beyond checking for a certification.

Well at least your honest about it.....the guy is trying to help you and you are steady badgering back at him with jefftalk, I'm glad to know it isn't just me.

[old fan]

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/tony-stewart-eldora-speedway-16-5-million-lawsuit-filed-meritless-scott-bloomquist-082916

[Barbecueboy]

I'm not saying your suggestion isn't good -- I'm arguing the fact that you called the argument light and without merit. This is obviously an issue that would effect a series in a state where certification isn't required. If not required I doubt many tracks (if any -- I mean, if Eldora didn't do it then who is going to) would be certified. So if you set a rule that you would only give a date to tracks that have certified scales and no tracks have certified scales then you have no dates. Or you maintain your own scales at a big cost. In a state such as PA your suggestion is great advice, I was just saying it is still a valid issue for tracks that don't run in PA or a state that regulates track scales.

In your efforts to stick with this whole " end of the dirt racing world" and your portable scale scenario for the 9 race mini series theory I think you overlooked one thing.......it's highly doubtful that any state in the country is going to not have some sort of inspection system for scales used in commerce.

And I have that on zero authority other than just good basic common sense......but I'm sure you will check.....report back.

[Barbecueboy]

To me the fact checking is simple. Ask the track if they have a current inspection tag/sticker from the state certifying their track scales? Ask them if the certification runs through the date you plan on running a race there? If yes and yes, you're golden. If yes to first, and no to second, then make sure they get an annual visit before your series shows up to race. My solution makes the tracks make a phone call and get a quick visit to certify their scale. Pretty simple, and results in no purchase of portable scales by the series, no worry over level setup, repeated calibration, and other issues.

Put another way, shoot holes in my idea. Tell me why it would not work.

For him to shoot holes in your idea you're going to have to hand him over the gun......because you've been the one doing the shooting.

[Barbecueboy]

So -- and I don't want to be quoted on any of this because I am going to declare now my series operates in PA where apparently all tracks are certified so this is now a non issue for me.

For another series, operating in lets say --- Ohio (where apparently tracks don't need to certify their scales by law) you are running a Modified series. You plan to race said series at a track that features SLM and 410 Sprint Cars as the top divisions weekly. You call the track and inform them of you requirements as listed above and thank them for putting up extra money for the touring series that you direct featuring what amounts to the 3rd division on their card. They decide that bringing in a tour that isn't even the second biggest draw of the night is not worth all of that trouble and decide to cancel the date.

That might sounds ridiculous but it is a common thing anyone not running an SLM, 410 or Big Block series has to deal with unless they live in the Midwest where Mods are king. Causing the track any kind of inconvenience is something that has to be avoided when building a series up in an area where they are not developed.

In my situation it is a UMP/AMRA type modified series. In 2014 the only track within 200 miles of my house that ran them as a regular division was Bedford Speedway. Several times in 2014 they had car counts under 10. In 2015 I started the tour and went to a bunch of tracks asking for dates, several tracks looked at me and laughed (I'm essentially asking them to book a date with us and if they are lucky we will get all of the sometimes less than 10 Bedford cars to come race at it). Not to mention that in this area even a full field of Modifieds wouldn't be more of a draw than 12 SLM or 410 Sprints (or even 360 Sprints, Limited Late Models, Crate Late Models or in some cases even Pure Stocks). The tracks had never seen these cars before, the fans don't know any of the drivers. I put together a 10 race schedule of races that paid horrible purses (basically the only purpose was to give the drivers a chance to race somewhere other than Bedford once in awhile). Our average purse last year was $2300 (paying $500 to win, $225 for 2nd and $60 to start). Our first race had 9 cars, and the second only had 13. By the end of the season as the series gained ground and started to be successful and more Modifieds were built we had a few races that brought in over 20 cars. This year we have much better purses, and many more cars but we are still holding the first ever Modified event at most of the tracks we visit. The sole purpose of bringing the tour in is to show the fans something that isn't a Sprint Car or Late Model. The fans don't know anyone at some of our races and compared to SLM and 410 Sprints we have very little drawing power yet. Asking a track to go out of their way to do something for us that they wouldn't even have to do when The World of Outlaws are in town is not going to work in our favor. In some cases I've had to work very hard and have multiple meetings just to get one $800 to win event at a track. Asking for more wouldn't be much of an option. I was never worried about scales being certified before and for a brief moment I was because of this lawsuit. On this post someone informed me that in PA they all have to be certified so I won't worry about it as much now. Just giving some insight on issues that may be encountered. As I said though, in a state like PA (if the info in this post is correct and all tracks must be certified) your idea works perfectly.

Yup......overthinking the piss out of it.

Have the track Call the state and have them come out and do it for free or contact a recognized private sector technician and pay them the 100 bucks to do it.......unless you are just in to making things complicated.

[Barbecueboy]

I've read all of your posts and I'd like to offer some advice and get back to everyone complaining about something else. So here's some simple advice as both someone with over 30 years in the racing business, a racing advocate & fan, and a licensed attorney in several states. 1- Thank you for your dedication to a sport we all love and don't want to see go away. I'm sure promoting races is NOT easy, so thank you for your hard work. 2- However, failing to do your due diligence for whatever reason, isn't going to cut it. How many tracks have had fires this year but no water on site? So you did not have time to inspect the fire truck will be your excuse when you're sued for someone dying in a fire? Or you're willing to just accept a track owner's word that everything is ok and their insurance is current and enough coverage for any potential incidents? The same goes with assuming the track had their scales certified. They are also required to have their certifications posted on the scales themselves, just like when you go get gas the next time, look at your pump and the inspection sticker posted on the pump. Or do you just want to take the gas station owner's word that you did pump 20 gallons of fuel in your car but your gas light is still on and you can't even crank your car? 3- OH DOES REQUIRE scales to be certified in any commercial transaction. Not everything is as simple as weights and measures, sometimes things fall under the Commercial Code for a reason because they are part of a commercial transaction. Or they are in both sections of the state code because the state legislators try to keep from having an abundance of uncertainties. 4- Under the law, every word has a specific meaning/definition that is only up for interpretation by the courts, not just any person. Hence, not following the law or interpreting it in your words, most of the time leads to breaking said law. Or if someone has a different interpretation of the law, then they have every single right under our Constitution to sue you for getting an official interpretation of the law as it applies to their specific situation.....hence we have lawsuits.

Oh no you don't, this place only has enough room for one playttorney , and it's me.....I've even been referred to as the Johnny Cochran of this joint.

You will not just waltz right in and deprive me of any of that future flattery.

And your post, it's very well stated,I've heard things like it before......just can't quite place where though?

[Barbecueboy]

read the dang rule book

I did.....want me to recite the preamble of it????

I learned it on school house rock years ago.

It's pretty lengthy , but in a nutshell it says that basically you can't just fuk people over in the United States and get away with it..........because they have recourse.

There is more in it, but that's for a later discussion

[427c.i.]

I'm guessing when it's all said and done, the 5 guys are looking for a settlement. Even if Tony/WRG throws them 500K and they split it just to make it go away and avoid lawyer costs , they're ahead.
Just a big dog and pony show...

[Barbecueboy]

I'm guessing when it's all said and done, the 5 guys are looking for a settlement. Even if Tony/WRG throws them 500K and they split it just to make it go away and avoid lawyer costs , they're ahead.
Just a big dog and pony show...

Maybe some are looking to get paid, it is my hope that my intuition is right and a few of them are in it for reasons other than money.

[Cardirt0]

In your efforts to stick with this whole " end of the dirt racing world" and your portable scale scenario for the 9 race mini series theory I think you overlooked one thing.......it's highly doubtful that any state in the country is going to not have some sort of inspection system for scales used in commerce.

And I have that on zero authority other than just good basic common sense......but I'm sure you will check.....report back.

All States Must have a way to Check, all gas stations have to be checked, All fair ground with a scale must be checked.. all places that sale Meat must be checked. In all 50 states BY law

[bleedsbluer2]

how did 90 other drivers have no issue and said scale but bloomer does same weather same evening everything

U keep going on and on about bloomer why so of course your a hater but why not bash the others along with him and for the last 90 other cars weigh right lol they only weigh top 3 after race maybe they should weigh intire field your an idiot

[Cardirt0]

Heres how you do it you get to the track and you stick the gas tank see how much gas is in the tank..put it on the scale..see the Pounds Ok the car or dont ok the car... after the race you stick the gas tank gas is 6.037 pounds per gallon Scale it.. if it has 2 more gallon in it then it was on the scale thee First time it would be 12.164 pounds heaver then when you Scaled it the first time have them sign a waver that you Both will go with how it is set up or they dont race...

[old fan]

U keep going on and on about bloomer why so of course your a hater but why not bash the others along with him and for the last 90 other cars weigh right lol they only weigh top 3 after race maybe they should weigh intire field your an idiot

you are wrong unlike scott most SMART racers will check their car out before its time to race yes I did say smarter remember he forgot his tool box for this years dream lol

[slmcrewchief99]

Nobody ever answered my question from 4 pages back. Did yall ignore it just for kicks or because it was true.

Bleedsbluer2 I could be wrong but after every car times in, they cross the scales. I will use the Mag at Columbus Ms as an example. The State Series just ran Saturday there. Qualified in pairs and as EACH car exits the track, the go straight to the scales. If you don't weigh, you don't get a time.

I am still in belief that Bloomer changed engines Saturday. Was already in the show for Saturday. Thought he had no reason to scale but his engine change caused him to be light. Went across after the feature and that's when it came apparent to himself and everyone else that he was too light.

[old fan]

this is SCOTTS IDEA OOPS DAY LATE AND DOLLAR N BEEN THERE DONE THAT When it comes to cheating at any level, the response is often to initiate more rules and stiffer penalties. But Scott Bloomquist, a professional Dirt Late Model racer, feels the best way to eliminate cheating as a detriment in racing is to get rid of many of the rules that constrict the racers. "The more rules you have, the more accusations you are going to have about everybody cheating," says Bloomquist, one of the most popular and winningest drivers in dirt racing. "In Dirt Late Model racing we have open engine rules and more horsepower than you do traction most of the time. There just isn't as much reason to cheat. But now you have the growing popularity of crate motor racing, and the opportunity to cheat more comes with it. When you limit the horsepower, the only thing it takes to win is more horsepower than the next guy. So if someone can come up with a way to get more power, the chances of winning are greatly increased, and that increases the chances of cheating. A lot of rules, the only thing they do is give the smart racers a greater advantage. That's why there is no greater racing than having more horsepower than you do traction