Jackie Boggs nailed for tires not meeting benchmark

[old fan]

that is one way and even DAWN soap not saying it throws the benchmark off but does a red flag for concern

[Kyle7117]

Does anyone know how many samples where collected at the Dream?

[Centeroff]

I have personally seen a tire reach 217* degrees. It was a 40 lap day race at Beckley motor speedway. That was roughly 1 minute or so after the feature ended so you could imagine the tire cooled maybe 10-15 degrees in that minute?? Didn't hear much tire doping back in that day which was mid 2000s. Thinking on it, a tire at that temperature would have to absorb any chemical that would be on the track. Oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc etc. I'm not a scientist or an attorney but I would have to give these guys the benefit of the doubt... Lol

[klemmabyna]

Time to start posting what's actually in it, rather than pass or fail.

why?

having been involved in urine testing in a prior career, it doesn't matter.

meet the benchmark or you fail. simple as that.

have a problem? take care of your own chain of custody or the supplier.

our labs were inspected and audited every year to ensure quality and chain of custody compliance so any lawsuit could not challenge the results.

[formercrewguy]

Lets see....who do I believe........A laboratory, with high tech equipment, and no conflict of interest............or a racer.

Derrrrrr.

[a25rjr]

Lets see....who do I believe........A laboratory, with high tech equipment, and no conflict of interest............or a racer.

Derrrrrr.

Or....5 racers with the cahonies to take on the Gestapo!

[plunks7]

Lets see....who do I believe........A laboratory, with high tech equipment, and no conflict of interest............or a racer. And 2 different results.

Derrrrrr.

Their I fixed it for you.

[zyoung25]

Delmas beat the guy I help on 1300s up there early in the year, but the race was littered with yellows. 1300s never have worked well for us up there.

[roughride]

I have no experience with LM tires, but I do have some experience with mod tires. IF we took a D40(soft) new and slapped it on for a feature, even on a wet tacky track, it would be trashed after 1 feature(worn bad, and edges gone). If however we ran it a few times in a hot lap session and couple of heat races, we could then run it in 2-3 features and win. With the A40, the next hardest tire for mods, if we scuffed it and a race would stay green they would be good. However if there were yellows, you had better make sure to keep it hot and clean or you would slip right up the track on restarts. I am no chemist, but I have heard there are oils in the rubber. Are we removing these oils through the heating of the tire and the heat cycles? Could this be what is making the tires miss the benchmark. The benchmark tire should be a feature ran tire that has gone through similar heat cycles or I don't think it would match.

Also, I think it would be pretty easy to end this tire prep game and even the heat cycle game. I am sure Hoosier is smart enough to put something on the inside wall of the tire that would disappear or change colors with heat or chemical alteration.

[slmcrewchief99]

Believe me or not about pre-heating tires before they run it. I don't care. Some of you ask about how things are happening. You get your questions answered. Again, believe it or not it IS being done. Somebody made a comment about a tire not being labeled right or being "defaced'. Like a 1300 with a 1350 stamp. That has been going on for years. Just a couple of years ago at the Show-Me 100 there was a regional driver that qualified up front and ran 2nd in the Cowboy Classic. Only to be dq'd shortly after. His right front was "defaced".

[JustAddDirt]

Bootleg hoosiers??? Interesting?

Even I hadn't heard that one yet........boy wouldn't that just be a Pandora's box of treasures if proven to be true.

Happened in the mid 1990's here in Indiana.
Rayburn was selling tires marked as a d-55 but they were actually d21's (if I remember right). So if it was happening in the 1990's , it is still probably going on today. Big teams that buy big quantities of tires at one time that are more than likely on Hoosier tire deals. You will get what you want/ order. Hi hard would it be to switch the tire compound die in the mold? Judging by the markings on the tire.... Pretty easy

[a25rjr]

Believe me or not about pre-heating tires before they run it. I don't care. Some of you ask about how things are happening. You get your questions answered. Again, believe it or not it IS being done. Somebody made a comment about a tire not being labeled right or being "defaced'. Like a 1300 with a 1350 stamp. That has been going on for years. Just a couple of years ago at the Show-Me 100 there was a regional driver that qualified up front and ran 2nd in the Cowboy Classic. Only to be dq'd shortly after. His right front was "defaced".

99, are they just heating them only, no prep?

[Barbecueboy]

Believe me or not about pre-heating tires before they run it. I don't care. Some of you ask about how things are happening. You get your questions answered. Again, believe it or not it IS being done. Somebody made a comment about a tire not being labeled right or being "defaced'. Like a 1300 with a 1350 stamp. That has been going on for years. Just a couple of years ago at the Show-Me 100 there was a regional driver that qualified up front and ran 2nd in the Cowboy Classic. Only to be dq'd shortly after. His right front was "defaced".

Thanks for your insights.........most of us appreciate them.

[zeroracing]

Slmcrew, I don't disagree with people cooking them. When we had a large powdercoating oven a local team wanted to cook tires. They were having issues with stagger changing after the first heat cycle and wanted to do a heat cycle before sizing.

Just never thought of it for other use besides size control. Maybe I should have...

[Hovlane]

So does it make a difference if the tire reaches 200 plus degrees in a oven or if it reaches 200 plus degrees on the track or does 200 degree rubber react the same reguardless of how it reaches that temp. ? Now I run a used tire that won't meet the benchmark, DQ me. Don't label me a cheater.