Lucas rules

[cutman]

Anybody remember when Mike Swims came up with standardized body rules? Every track and series in the country ended up with those ruled.

Whoa whoa whoa. Tracks/series have body rules? That's right, they do, just never enforced.

[westlingracing]

I own a 2 car team and If those rules are not adjusted then we are done! If my Butlerbuilt containment seat or new RCI fuel cell isn't going to be good enough I'm not going to buy new. I have a Hans Device and a high dollar suit but I know a lot do not, that's a lot of money. I'm seeing it at around $5k for some to get to the rule per car.
But the fire system is stupid, what needs scrutinized and enforced by these sanctioning bodies is making tracks have certified fire and safety crews. I'd rather pay more at the gate and be sure I have experienced people there, than a device with a nozzle aimed in 2 places to save my life!
This will eliminate weekly local latemodel racing. Maybe I will just cut off the front clip and put on a new stub and race modifieds?
Lucas and Woo would rather eliminate all weekly latemodel's and have them just come in for specials is what it looks like to me!!!!!

[flagone]

Please reread regarding seat requirements. It is being amended.

The fire system is easily upgraded for a couple of hundred dollars.

Most of the fuel cell mfgs also have a kit available to upgrade as well.

And I swear I don't mean any disrespect at all. If that is the mindset that you have to race then you have the wrong mindset.

And trying to quantify how much safer your car is? Are you being serious? Would you race without a helmet? But yet we drive cars on the road every day at close to the same speeds and don't wear a helmet. Why do we need it to race? Guys you gotta stop thinking about what you can do to race and start thinking about what you can do to live. Why would you not take every possible safety advantage available to you? Think of it this way - can you afford to be out of work to be treated at the burn center? What happens to your family if you can't work or worse?

Ask the guy in this video if he thinks he needs a fire suppression system that is thermally activated.

https://www.facebook.com/mikestofflet/videos/713439152006757/?pnref=story

[dangerdann]

Exactly RCJ im in the same situation. I have a 2yr old containment seat thats not sfi, a 5lb pull fire system and just bought a new cell also thats not sfi. Now idk if i can afford to upgrade to only do a couple races.

[RCJ]

It's not that we're against safety,He's my situation. I have a containment seat that is not SFI.i have a pull fire system,I just bought a new fuel cell 2 weeks ago.Ditch all of that and spend $3000 to up grade and my car will be 3% safer? ,10% safer?.Every thing we do is how much value for the dollars spent.You have to have that mind set to be able to race.

[onlyfacts]

Uhh I do work for one of the racing insurance companies. Maybe you should do a little NEW research.

Just call the insurance companies and ask what they require for helmet, firesuit, fire system or seats. Then let me know. I have.

[Josh Bayko]

Very little

For somebody who claims to spout only facts, you don't know sh*t.

[flagone]

Uhh I do work for one of the racing insurance companies. Maybe you should do a little NEW research.

[onlyfacts]

How long have fire suppression systems been around?How long have head and neck restraints been around?How long have containment seats been around?How long have GLOVES been around?Self governing was NOT working. Otherwise everyone would already have these items. Anybody remember when Mike Swims came up with standardized body rules? Every track and series in the country ended up with those rules. And at the end of the day as was eluded to earlier tracks and series - and yes even ultimately racers must answer to insurance companies and lawyers.

Why don't you do a little research and ask the insurance companies what their requirements are for safety? Just ask what they require for firesuit or helmets. I think you will be surprised.

[Ryan21mid]

How much do you know about the seats? That alone could be enough to make a guy run another class.

It has been stated multiple times by Michael Rigsby, Kelly, and Schwallie that the seat rule will be amended to allow any full containment seat! You can pick them up cheap these days and with the new quick release left headrest style seats that are coming out there is no more excuse of being trapped in the car.

[flagone]

How long have fire suppression systems been around?

How long have head and neck restraints been around?

How long have containment seats been around?

How long have GLOVES been around?

Self governing was NOT working. Otherwise everyone would already have these items.

Anybody remember when Mike Swims came up with standardized body rules? Every track and series in the country ended up with those rules.

And at the end of the day as was eluded to earlier tracks and series - and yes even ultimately racers must answer to insurance companies and lawyers.

[onlyfacts]

People don't realize how much influence insurance companies have over safety rules.

Very little

[Josh Bayko]

People don't realize how much influence insurance companies have over safety rules.

[onlyfacts]

Safety rules are needed but what isn't needed is these sanctioning bodies and groups dictating everything. This sport grew because it gives owners, drivers and teams a sport that wasn't dictated by an organization like NASCAR or the many short track pavement sanctioning groups that are no longer around. Constantly changing adding dictating rules will only lead to smaller car counts, NASCAR type equality and less actual racing. Safety is one thing but this sport grew because of few regulations. We don't need an Obama liberal bigger government (Lucas) type of governing in dirt late model racing. We need a conservative type of governing of the rules so we don't end up with a watered down product of what we have.

[flagone]

INCORRECT. Not emotion at all. These changes have been discussed and researched for well over a year. Ask any chassis builder or race team that was visited by Rick Schwallie last year. The incidents of this year only reinforced the need for these changes.

It is AMAZING to me that people are willing to argue that these things aren't needed. There is a reason that all the safety equipment is mandated at the highest levels of auto racing. We have got to get out of the mentality that additional safety requirements are a bad thing.

And those of you that think it won't affect your local track... wait until they get insurance evaluations. This is not a knee reaction at all.