Lucas rules

[vande077]

Cutman, judging by how thin the head padding looks I would be surprised if it would pass, the SFI approved seats have a very wide pad on them. Also it takes a while to get through the SFI certification so they may be going through the process.

Vande077, can you please point us to the $ 500 SFI 39.2 seat? The lowest price one I have seen is ISP at $3,400-$3,800. I would gladly buy one for my next race car instead of another high priced one.

I like many of the other late model guys have full containment seats, I used a butler built, custom built for me, very robust, very well made, and a great seat. Cost was not cheap, $ 1,600 or so, but well worth it. I cannot see the need to get rid of this seat and replace it with a different one. My current seat provides a very high level of structure and safety for our needs.

I thought it was a Kirkey but he sold it already when he quit racing to someone else.

But here's a link to Kirkey's website for one that costs under $1200 new (granted it's the sprint car model and not late model, but it tells me they are out there for much less than $3400)

https://www.circletracksupply.com/ki...seat.html?cat=

[Krooser]

http://www.onedirt.com/news/adjustable-containment-seat-to-hit-the-market/

[billetbirdcage]

I was thinking the same thing on the wheel covers. Just do away with them. A cost we could do without, not a huge cost but a cost none the less. Tire changes in the pits would be quicker so less laps needed to change it under yellow.

If you are a series regular, you will get an extra 2 laps from normal to change a tire now do to the bolts but not a series regular your screwed? Also sounds to me like anyone selling/making plastic type covers got screwed as how are those more dangerous then aluminum ones, lol?

[powerslide]

Education, Education, Education would make leaps and bounds improvement in the safety of the sport. Here's the problem SFI certs will hurt this sport. There is great information and guidance in the SFI research but making companies pay for those certs will drive up costs. the fuel cell rule is not reasonable to me, and the 39.2 seat rule is way overboard and to be honest very unfair considering the options we have. The big problem here is there are companies selling seats that they call "containment " that are not. Hope this gets cleared up.

The wheel cover should probably just be banned. After the conversations with Lucas oil administration and the people at a few seat manufacturers yesterday I am very optimistic that these rules will be cleared up by Pri.

Otherwise I just call on everyone to stick together and just say "no" and race elsewhere. I'm a huge advocate for safety but I believe there are "Equally safe" ways to service our concerns other than selling out to the "safety mafia"

I was thinking the same thing on the wheel covers. Just do away with them. A cost we could do without, not a huge cost but a cost none the less. Tire changes in the pits would be quicker so less laps needed to change it under yellow.

Also on the same page on the seats/fuel cells. Its going to be like NHRA and you have a select few who can build it and its going to cost an arm and a leg.

[RCJ]

Be nice if they could spread these purchases out over a longer time.

[Senroc-Systems]

"Curious if anyone knows if the seat that Brian Ruhlman has started using would be an approved seat"

In reading the article on that seat, it looks like it was designed for larger drivers and apparently bolts on to make a regular seat a containment seat.

Ruhlman's seat has hinged left side containment pieces ( head and shoulder) to allow him to get in and out. He is in excess of 300 lbs, as far as being approved I don't know. I do know that the SFI particular # is not any specific box available seats, they're all a one off custom build, no matter who the manufacturer is. IE: LaJoie, Butlerbilt, Kirkey, etc., etc.

Sam from UMP has fielded over 200 phone calls and is, as we speak, trying to get a specific package in place,with a specific dollar amount, to complete a necessary approved upgrade. I'm also hearing that guys are being asked to postpone buying anything until announcements are made at PRI.

[BTExpress]

"Curious if anyone knows if the seat that Brian Ruhlman has started using would be an approved seat"

In reading the article on that seat, it looks like it was designed for larger drivers and apparently bolts on to make a regular seat a containment seat.

[zeroracing]

Cutman, judging by how thin the head padding looks I would be surprised if it would pass, the SFI approved seats have a very wide pad on them. Also it takes a while to get through the SFI certification so they may be going through the process.

Vande077, can you please point us to the $ 500 SFI 39.2 seat? The lowest price one I have seen is ISP at $3,400-$3,800. I would gladly buy one for my next race car instead of another high priced one.

I like many of the other late model guys have full containment seats, I used a butler built, custom built for me, very robust, very well made, and a great seat. Cost was not cheap, $ 1,600 or so, but well worth it. I cannot see the need to get rid of this seat and replace it with a different one. My current seat provides a very high level of structure and safety for our needs.

[cutman]

Curious if anyone knows if the seat that Brian Ruhlman has started using would be an approved seat.

[manwplan]

Nope you guys are all wrong. MR GEARHEAD will tell you how stupid you are and anyone that doesn't want to run a SFI seat is skimping on safety and is stupid.

[calverton]

How about moving the door away from the seat instead? hahahahahahahaaa

how wide do you want the car you dummy

[RCJ]

A 10 lbs fire bottle is not small, where are they typically mounted?

[MBR Performance]

Another part of it is they are mandating this stuff which adds 2-4 thousand dollars to the price to race and yet they are still paying the same purses as they did 20 years ago. I wouldn't doubt that there are some companies just licking their chops knowing that it's now mandatory so we'll just up the price. If you think that doesn't happen then you're a fool.

[Brian Gray]

Education, Education, Education would make leaps and bounds improvement in the safety of the sport. Here's the problem SFI certs will hurt this sport. There is great information and guidance in the SFI research but making companies pay for those certs will drive up costs. the fuel cell rule is not reasonable to me, and the 39.2 seat rule is way overboard and to be honest very unfair considering the options we have. The big problem here is there are companies selling seats that they call "containment " that are not. Hope this gets cleared up.

The wheel cover should probably just be banned. After the conversations with Lucas oil administration and the people at a few seat manufacturers yesterday I am very optimistic that these rules will be cleared up by Pri.

Otherwise I just call on everyone to stick together and just say "no" and race elsewhere. I'm a huge advocate for safety but I believe there are "Equally safe" ways to service our concerns other than selling out to the "safety mafia"

[Krooser]

The sanctioning bodies should negotiate a group buy/advertising deal with the seat and fire bottle outfits to give the racers a price break... I did it in 1987 with my new street stock division. My rules allowed a guy to use his stock 3 point factory belts to start the season then buy a new set of 5 point belts for $79 and get a $30 rebate via mail.

Plus they could offer the locals a one race grace period on the new seats, cells, etc. That would allow schmoes like me to race at home with the big boys.

I don't really agree with the mandatory head/neck restraint. I, like some others here, have reservations that they may actually do more harm than good on short tracks. Heck I still hate the thought of full face helmets.

And tell me why mirrors aren't allowed... if someone is 'mirror driving' the flagman has a black flag for that. Seems like the pavement guys don't have problems with them. And I think we'd have a lot fewer yellows...