Lucas rules

[fastford]

so your basically saying , in 2 years, if you dont agree with or cant afford these changes, then you get a 100 lb weight penalty?

[Stede Bonnet]

With All the safety devices in the world installed injury and death are always going to be possible. We don't see them nearly as much in DLM as in other forms of racing, but that spectre will always loom and we are all in the process of dying. In the words of Jim Morrison, "No one here gets out alive".

Things I believe that would help:
1) A higher halo height/roof line.
2) lower decking and door height and widen the drivers area.
3) Larger green house.
4) Nose height maximum from ground rule, so the cars can't roll over so easy.
5) No wheel covers

Phase in Rules: (2 years)
6) #25 weight break for 39.2 fuel cell
7) #25 weight break for 39.2 FC seat
8) #50 weight break for Fire suppression system.
9) Enforce rules on fuel lines and couplings standards.
10) Enforce rules on belts that are out of date.

***During these 2 years more study could be done on effects of FC seats/concussions and you could have a mandatory safety seminar at beginning of season with safety people to show videos and answer questions. Those that don't attend can't run the series.***

[chupp n bloomer fan]

a containment seat would have helped i would think(again I'm not claiming to be an expert), the shoulders would have caught him, its going to take building a car with a bigger (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit area, along with a raised roof, but this will take time, the standard containment seat will work but along with all safety measures, you need to know how they work(you need the helmet really close to the head area of the seats it may take mods to the seat) I've have been talking with the powers to be and they are seriously considering having a measurement from the floor to the bottom of the halo and a 3 inch to the helmet rule, this will require fab work on all your older cars,I really honestly believe 99.9% of the dirt late models the helmet is to close to the roll cage or the roof(in a roll over there head is hitting the ground, hell in topless races I've seen helmets sticking above the halo,frigin nuts)

Precisely. The clearance between your noggin and the halo is not enough, not the seat.

[Brian Gray]

At the rate we're going the cars will be completely revamped by next season, I foresee perimeter chassis with pass door bars ect!,

[grt74]

There is some evidence that suggest some FC seats may be causing concussions, that's why. I prefer NOT to have early onset dementia from hitting holes in the track and have to retire in my 40's because somebody knee-jerk reacted and made me run the seat he liked without doing his due diligence or even consulting me, since I'm paying... I'm a bigger guy so getting in and out is more difficult anyway. So now they have us good and trapped in the car, but still refuse to address the #800 gorilla in the room. Cars flip and turn over way too much and exiting the car is getting more and more difficult under optimal conditions. It wasn't like this before 1998.



Shane Unger died from internal injuries, not a broken neck, not head trauma. So no full containment 39.2 bladder anything would NOT have done anything for him...

a containment seat would have helped i would think(again I'm not claiming to be an expert), the shoulders would have caught him, its going to take building a car with a bigger (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit area, along with a raised roof, but this will take time, the standard containment seat will work but along with all safety measures, you need to know how they work(you need the helmet really close to the head area of the seats it may take mods to the seat) I've have been talking with the powers to be and they are seriously considering having a measurement from the floor to the bottom of the halo and a 3 inch to the helmet rule, this will require fab work on all your older cars,I really honestly believe 99.9% of the dirt late models the helmet is to close to the roll cage or the roof(in a roll over there head is hitting the ground, hell in topless races I've seen helmets sticking above the halo,frigin nuts)

[Stede Bonnet]

Seriously?????? Why won't you have "everyone" of these safety rules? ... no containment seats, etc. It makes no sense not to have these items.

There is some evidence that suggest some FC seats may be causing concussions, that's why. I prefer NOT to have early onset dementia from hitting holes in the track and have to retire in my 40's because somebody knee-jerk reacted and made me run the seat he liked without doing his due diligence or even consulting me, since I'm paying... I'm a bigger guy so getting in and out is more difficult anyway. So now they have us good and trapped in the car, but still refuse to address the #800 gorilla in the room. Cars flip and turn over way too much and exiting the car is getting more and more difficult under optimal conditions. It wasn't like this before 1998.

Charlie floyd and shane unger need i say more

Shane Unger died from internal injuries, not a broken neck, not head trauma. So no full containment 39.2 bladder anything would NOT have done anything for him...

[chupp n bloomer fan]

New SFI firesuits coming for 2018....

I can hear that Charlie Daniels song now. Good movie. Him and Lonnie made some uh magic off set too.

[cutman]

New SFI firesuits coming for 2018....

Let me hear you cluck 😂

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I thought it was a Kirkey but he sold it already when he quit racing to someone else.

But here's a link to Kirkey's website for one that costs under $1200 new (granted it's the sprint car model and not late model, but it tells me they are out there for much less than $3400)

https://www.circletracksupply.com/ki...seat.html?cat=

They claim it is the first aluminum seat to meet the spec. Probably got ahead of the game and maybe even attempted to influence the rule adoption. I think it means they can be reasonable price, but not really available yet.

[Krooser]

New SFI firesuits coming for 2018....

[zeroracing]

Vande077, wow, I did not figure they had a certified one for near that price. That said I am one of the "any brand but kirkey guys" after seeing the cheaper ones fold up easily about a decade ago. A lot has changed and they seem to build a good seat, but just have a "stigma" around our shop.


All of that said, we will just avoid series that require it this season for the most part. I have a new custom butler built that is a great seat, just spent $ 1600 on and is very safe, no sticker though. Luckily our local series is not mandating it. I was also told by some that the series are discussing the rule and may go to a standard full containment rule.

[big88fan]

There is a big difference in seats that meet the sfi spec and one that is certified with the sticker. I have kirkey full containment seats, roughly 1000 bucks and they are not sfi certified.

[billetbirdcage]

Put bolts in the plastic covers and they will be legal..

My bad somehow I read "aluminum" covers only, but it doesn't say that after relooking

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Kelly and Stan

Granted it needs some tweaks, but all much needed stuff. Wheel covers are flying metal frisbees/guillotines. Obviously not require the NASCAR seat. Fuel cell, definitely, and specify no cheap fittings. Fire suppression, shouldn't be even a remote issue after this year. Especially since some tracks still don't give a fuk about safety. Gloves, suck it up buttercup. Some top drivers didn't wear gloves either.

Props to Kelly and Stan for speaking, well said.

[Ryan21mid]

If you are a series regular, you will get an extra 2 laps from normal to change a tire now do to the bolts but not a series regular your screwed? Also sounds to me like anyone selling/making plastic type covers got screwed as how are those more dangerous then aluminum ones, lol?

Put bolts in the plastic covers and they will be legal..