Dqed from dream

[victorylane]

I'd be very surprised if any of them take it any further than this first appeal meeting. We'll see.

[blncfn57]

Funny that you would use that first line in the post.......because it's exactly what you are doing.

No, that's not what I did, Mr. 4m. You used one line of what he said to make a point. I simply posted THE REST of what he said, that you chose to omit.

[D. Tidrow]

Who is going to take it that far? No one. They cheated and they are not going to throw good money after bad. The only one that could financially benefit is Sheppard. He has the most cash in the game but that wont happen either. Big talk to deflect the blame.

I'm pretty sure I can read, just like you. I'm pretty sure they are all well backed. They all countered. I'm siding with the racers, unlike my hard no chewable center.

[Bob Hubbard]

How many post will it take to be the most in 4m ?

[Barbecueboy]

I understand all of that.......I'm not naive to writing , signing or cancelling a contract.

I guess we will have to wait and see what transpires.......but you can bet there will be changes, like it or not.

And for the guy that said Sheppard was the only person destined to gain financially.........very small picture thinking.

[welderron105]

When you sign the entry forms, you agree to the rules and terms and take responsibility of crew chief and car owners actions. The driver is held responsible even if he dont know everything. Could cause some of these guys to part with current team.

[Hard rock candy]

Plenty of people have the money to take it that far........it's on the horizon. Somebody is going to get p issed off enough to make an example out of someone. And as for the disclaimer about not suing the series , not worth the paper it's written on when it comes to what's at stake in this instance. You better be dam sure boys before you go out and label someone as a cheater and cost them some sponsor money or worse.

Who is going to take it that far? No one. They cheated and they are not going to throw good money after bad. The only one that could financially benefit is Sheppard. He has the most cash in the game but that wont happen either. Big talk to deflect the blame.

[Barbecueboy]

Several years ago Hoosier decided to do some tire formula changing and save the racers under the Wissota sanctioning money, they struggled for almost 3 years producing a tire that worked. I honestly believe that they do not have clue as to what goes on under there own roof when they can't make a tire that lasts one race without chunking out............ Who is to say these tires didn't leave the factory already tainted?? I think it would never hold up in a court situation that a team knowingly cheated up their tires if someone had the $$ to take it that far.

Plenty of people have the money to take it that far........it's on the horizon.

Somebody is going to get p issed off enough to make an example out of someone.

And as for the disclaimer about not suing the series , not worth the paper it's written on when it comes to what's at stake in this instance.

You better be dam sure boys before you go out and label someone as a cheater and cost them some sponsor money or worse.

[Barbecueboy]

Well... there's cheaters out there and they're getting caught. i.e. the 2016 Dream

I agree with you on one thing. If I was a driver I would document the sh!t out of the sample taker. Video, notes, whatever.

I hope for the series sake that I'm wrong and that they are all 100% all cheatin sobs......but in this case, I just don't think so.

And as for the documentation of all of it from the drivers side, oh , it's happening.......look for them to cut two samples from each spot, look for it to be filmed from start to finish, and look for the drivers and teams to submit the samples they keep to the same lab for examination.

Only difference is , it won't be coming from Sam, and they won't know which tire is the actual race tire being checked or if it's a placebo that they send in along with it to have checked.( all in hermetically sealed, tamper proof evidence bags mind you)

[Loopy]

Several years ago Hoosier decided to do some tire formula changing and save the racers under the Wissota sanctioning money, they struggled for almost 3 years producing a tire that worked. I honestly believe that they do not have clue as to what goes on under there own roof when they can't make a tire that lasts one race without chunking out............ Who is to say these tires didn't leave the factory already tainted?? I think it would never hold up in a court situation that a team knowingly cheated up their tires if someone had the $$ to take it that far.

[waaac77]

Noooooooo.......slammin Sammy says you don't need it.

We gonna keep on a doing it the way we always been a doing it......it's working just fine.

Or is it?

Well... there's cheaters out there and they're getting caught. i.e. the 2016 Dream

I agree with you on one thing. If I was a driver I would document the sh!t out of the sample taker. Video, notes, whatever.

[Barbecueboy]

They really do need to bench mark the same serial number tire to the sample taken from drivers cause each serial number run could have a different benchmark jmo.

Noooooooo.......slammin Sammy says you don't need it.

We gonna keep on a doing it the way we always been a doing it......it's working just fine.

Or is it?

[DEKconsulting]

They really do need to bench mark the same serial number tire to the sample taken from drivers cause each serial number run could have a different benchmark jmo.

[Barbecueboy]

It's amazing that people see and repeat only what they want.

You forgot the "You take the sample, they put it in the bag, I write on the bag the date, the track, the event, the compound of the tire.... they sign, I sign, and the drivers name goes on there so we know who it belongs to, and that's all there is to it. They all go in a tamper-proof evidence bags, they're sealed, and on monday morning when I get to my office I put them in a box and send them off. If any bag would've been opened, she (the tester at the laboratory) would not accept it."

Funny that you would use that first line in the post.......because it's exactly what you are doing.

[Barbecueboy]

It's amazing that people see and repeat only what they want.

You forgot the "You take the sample, they put it in the bag, I write on the bag the date, the track, the event, the compound of the tire.... they sign, I sign, and the drivers name goes on there so we know who it belongs to, and that's all there is to it. They all go in a tamper-proof evidence bags, they're sealed, and on monday morning when I get to my office I put them in a box and send them off. If any bag would've been opened, she (the tester at the laboratory) would not accept it."

It's also nice that some people are ok with the word of one guy as to how it's all done ......and as long as he says that's the way it's always been done , then everything is peachy.

You don't find it suspicious or odd that 1 out of every 14 drivers that entered this years dream are caught supposedly cheating tires?

Sam can say what he wants,his system is bad and should be revisited and tightened up a little.

Look for drivers to start filming and documenting this process and being proactive about inspecting the inspectors........it's on the way.