Final appeal

[dirtdobber45]

Sure do Arnold.......I'm pulling some at the ziffle farm as we speak.

Thats 'SOME PIG' bbq lmao

[non driving fool]

W o w !!!!

So a former states attorney doesn't know the f n law n you do. Your f n out of your f n mind know it all f n smarta**. Your so full of sh**t it's coming out of your eyes. Your have a bullsh**t opinion on everything. You fat fuc*

I hate it when someone holds back just to be polite, why not tell em what you really think?

[Work2race]

In other news, Anyone get the beat down of the disrespectful, mouthy, narcissistic little pansy ass Cody Mallory put on him by one of Bloomquist's own crew? First it was Tommy Hicks choking him with his knife out then, old man Randy Sweet had him by the throat pinned up to the hauler. How long is Scott going to let this disruptive little prick continue to ruin everything around him? Yes he's winning, but in spite of this drug addict. Look at how screwed up the operation is. Late every week, dq'd, all Scott' friends abandoned him and alienated all due to one sociopath mental burn out drug addicted A-hole. Scott won a lot of races before that A-hole. Time for a change

[fryefan]

I hope they overturn the suspensions. The tracks that chose that sanctioning body are getting penalized for their biggest show of the year by banning people from running the race THEY are putting on. (FALS/Cedar Lake)

IF, and I repeat, IF they were illegal tires, then there is NO WAY that the suspensions should be overturned. There will be plenty of good drivers with, or without them at the events you mentioned.

[fryefan]

I don't think it will be as bad on here as it will in the racing world. Drivers and teams that don't wanna play the tire game have been screaming about this for the last 4 years. I know it was going on before that, but the big blowup with the teams and the sanctioning body that I remember was in 2012 so I'm going by that.
IF one or all of these teams are truly innocent, I feel they should be putting their time and energy into figuring out what caused the problem and getting it corrected rather than just saying "I didn't cheat" and leading the fans to believe the enforcer is crooked. The sanctioning body is trying to enforce rules that the whole pit area knows are being broken. They are trying to find things in which the drivers are being told are "undetectable" by the folks who supply the chemicals. If this was a hoosier problem (5 out of 32, it's not likely) than hoosier needs to make it right with the teams, not WRG/UMP.
I hate to see this happen to anyone and I do not want to believe these 5 guys cheated up their tires, but more times than not, things are just as they seem. I did not want to believe OJ murdered anyone. I am the guy that reads a horrible story of a possible drunk driver causing a fatal accident and I pray that he was not drunk...... because I do not like seeing bad things happen to people. I'm not generally the guy that believes everyone that is charged is guilty and I have been raked over the coals for supporting people that I was proved wrong about in the end, it happens.

The question I have is, everyone knows this tire doping is happening, so if these guys are not doing it, then who are the ones that have everyone stirred up about it? I have been vocal on here and for the sake of these 5 guys I hope I am wrong, but as hard as I try I can't ignore the fact that not only did these 5 samples come back bad against the benchmark, they came back bad against the other 27 tires tested also.
I think we may see some sort of compromise between these drivers and the sanctioning body. I don't think UMP/WRG wants to ruin anyone's reputation, but I think they want to hold their ground so everyone knows they are serious about this tire stuff also. Maybe a reduction of the suspension? I think that may be an option. I do not think that the sanctioning body is going to do anything to cast doubt upon their process, a process the drivers all agreed to when they signed in at the back gate.

You raise some excellent points.

[fryefan]

These tracks should be pissed at the drivers who CHOSE to cheat. They are the ones that are hurting the tracks by making a deliberate decision to disobey the rules that they all agreed to abide by when they CHOSE to race with that sanctioning body.

You don't blame the police for catching a criminal. Oh well wait a minute, maybe that is exactly what is happening this day and time. Maybe that is why so many are standing up for the cheaters and portraying them as victims of the system instead of having then own up to their own decisions and accept the consequences.

What would impress me is if any of the drivers caught would just admit that they made a mistake, own up to it, pledge not to let it happen again, and accept the punishment. If so, then I might just order a shirt or do something else in support of that driver just for being a man in the childish world of today and acting like an adult and doing the right thing. Definitely a rarity these days. I don't think I would be alone. I think others would show their support as well.

But who am I kidding, that will never happen in today's world where the motto is never admit any wrongdoing, just hire a lawyer and fight it till the end.

Ridiculous!

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

[fryefan]

If they reduce the penalty then they will lose creditability in my opinion. if they are on the up and up as far as the testing goes and they are confident these drivers cheated then stick to your guns and the length of the penalty to let them and the rest of the drivers know this is what happens when you cheat.

I agree with this assessment.

[fryefan]

The only people who are crying about the process being flawed are ones who were caught recently or in the past plus some of the keyboard jockeys on here. The only thing I would like to have made public is what was in or missing from the tire. But I'm pretty sure the drivers accused/caught were told what was wrong with the samples and they also have not said publicly what the problem was other than Bloomquist saying something was missing from the sample. Maybe UMP feels the only ones that need to know is them and the accused. If that is there stance and would come out and say that then I would be ok with that.

Also trying to bully UMP by saying that lawyers will be getting involved is funny to me. That tactic might work against the smaller sanctions but not UMP, WOO or LUCAS.

You raise some excellent points.

[fryefan]

Guess I'll be part of the minority. I've said before that our team has never had a problem with any of the regional series that have checked us. I feel they did it as well as can be done at the track and have no problem with that part of the process. I will agree that part of the process needs to be tweaked but for the most part it is fine. If there was a problem with the process at the dream then ALL the tires from the 30+ samples would have came back dirty. Only 5 did and this is what we have. All 5 of those samples didn't meet the benchmark and were dq'd. Like it or not that was the results of the lab test. After the World, those guys can go right back to racing UMP/WoO like nothing ever happened. Those of us that have been checked and have passed won't have a problem with your return.....

Thanks for sharing that.

[old fan]

my question how many times can a team get caught and just get a slap on the wrist

[Barbecueboy]

IF, and I repeat, IF they were illegal tires, then there is NO WAY that the suspensions should be overturned. There will be plenty of good drivers with, or without them at the events you mentioned.

I completely agree.........

[Barbecueboy]

I hate it when someone holds back just to be polite, why not tell em what you really think?

Yep , normally during a heated conversation..........when someone starts making it personal and cussing and stuff...........they know they have lost the argument and its all they got.

I saw that too, poor Sam.

[Barbecueboy]

You're wrong again, Piercefan or one of them guys close to that camp posted that Bobby had his tires checked every night of the tour early on. guessing you missed that discussion.

I'm guessing you haven't been able to find any of the posts that you speak of above......huh?

I wish I wasn't wrong......again....so much.lmao

[blncfn57]

I'm guessing you haven't been able to find any of the posts that you speak of above......huh?

I wish I wasn't wrong......again....so much.lmao

I have not looked, smarty. I'm not old a crusty, I still have other things to do beside check 4m all the time. I just now seen your request, I will look for the post.

[Barbecueboy]

I have not looked, smarty. I'm not old a crusty, I still have other things to do beside check 4m all the time. I just now seen your request, I will look for the post.

Thanks for indulging me..........I truly must have missed it and heard it completely different.......from someone that was there most nights, on the grounds.

I know we both have differing opinions on the tire rule disaster and most likely won't ever agree , but I appreciate the dialogue and it's good for the sport.

Gets things out in the open and what's on people's minds......and if we are lucky..........somebody that reads it or stumbles across it that can make a difference will share the frustrations from a paying fan or sponsors perspective to someone that will matter........and something better will come out of it.