Final appeal

[Barbecueboy]

I suppose if you wanna go by that theory that's up to you, but I would have a hard time believing that only 5 of the 32 manged to pick up the said prep from the racetrack. They have made a ruling, they also stood by that ruling at the first appeal and most likely will at this final appeal.

i suppose???? Have a hard time believing???most likely???

All statements that seem to open the window of uncertainty.

The right guy in the right situation representing the right person will have a field day with that type of chatter.........there should be no mights, maybes or we are 90 % sures.

[Barbecueboy]

It is only the sanctioning body's job to say whether or not a tire used in competition was legal or not. They can't give free passes because someone 3 handlings ago prepped it.... imagine the mess that would create. If a crate guy buys a truckload of used tires from someone that had been running prepped tires and they get caught with them, the tires are still illegal whether they "knew" or not.
I'm fairly certain, as big $ as the the sport has become, that there are people in business either offering tire prepping service or actually buying the tires themselves and pepping them to resell. That's why UMP/WRG can't go by anything other than if the tires used were legal or not.

Imagine the mess it WOULD create???? As if the mess we have now is ok???

[Bubstr]

I don't think World Racing group, really cares who doped the tires. You can dope thousands of tires, but until you race on them, you have broken no rules. They only care if the benchmark was solid and that these tires didn't match that benchmark. End of story. Black and white. Not knowing the tires where doped is not a measure of innocents, just a measure of ignorance.

We all know that lots of them cheat some, we just have to wonder how many escaped this round of witch hunt. I kinda feel sorry for these guys, because they where probably told this stuff is undetectable, just like the ones that didn't get caught this time.

I will miss a couple at PDC and Cedar Lake, not that they always win, but they make the prize of winning so much bigger.

[NY DIRT]

sounds fair to me

Drop the suspension from 90 days to 60 days. But since the final appeal was July 18th, the suspension should start July 19th and end Sept. 16th. There you have it from the voice of reason...

[Barbecueboy]

I don't think World Racing group, really cares who doped the tires. You can dope thousands of tires, but until you race on them, you have broken no rules. They only care if the benchmark was solid and that these tires didn't match that benchmark. End of story. Black and white. Not knowing the tires where doped is not a measure of innocents, just a measure of ignorance.

We all know that lots of them cheat some, we just have to wonder how many escaped this round of witch hunt. I kinda feel sorry for these guys, because they where probably told this stuff is undetectable, just like the ones that didn't get caught this time.

I will miss a couple at PDC and Cedar Lake, not that they always win, but they make the prize of winning so much bigger.

If it were black and white.......nobody would still be talking about it.

[turnleftandgasit]

If you are gonna make the racer responsible for having an untreated tire, the manufacturer should be required to provide the driver with a tire in a package that is sealed. Again, I do not think the drivers are innocent, I just couldn't convict them in a court of law. UMP and Hoosier can not prove that a brand new tire, hasn't been doctored, or came into contact with chemicals, before the racer receives it. Once it leaves the factory, all bets are off. Truck driver, people at the warehouse, UPS driver, chemicals.............Too many variables. Do I think that is what happened? No, I don't, but you can't prove it didn't!

[huskerdirt]

If it were black and white.......nobody would still be talking about it.

It is pretty black and white actually. The only reason this came up was because of the final appeal aka a Hail Mary. A final appeal doesn't make it all of sudden any less black and white. If they couldn't prove there case in the first appeal. What makes you think it's gonna happen this time around?

Most of this topic is you arguing, blabbering out gibberish and contradicting yourself. Like when you said a "friend" told you they weren't taking tire samples. But when somebody said that wasn't the case. You stated that you are a "see for yourself kinda guy".

You and you only are the reason this topic is 8 pages. Not because people are talking about it. Child, please.

[Cardirt0]

Its not that the ones that did it were caught.. Its what if the ones they say did it Did not....Now you are a Cheat when you are NOT.... Thats a WRONG that will never be made right.....There is nothing worst then knowing they say you did something Wrong when YOU know you did not.... I spoke too Jason and he told me... They call me a Cheat, and I know I did nothing WRONG, you dont know how much that $ucks..............

[Barbecueboy]

If you are gonna make the racer responsible for having an untreated tire, the manufacturer should be required to provide the driver with a tire in a package that is sealed. Again, I do not think the drivers are innocent, I just couldn't convict them in a court of law. UMP and Hoosier can not prove that a brand new tire, hasn't been doctored, or came into contact with chemicals, before the racer receives it. Once it leaves the factory, all bets are off. Truck driver, people at the warehouse, UPS driver, chemicals.............Too many variables. Do I think that is what happened? No, I don't, but you can't prove it didn't!

Your going to be labeled a pig puller if you keep that up^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't really think I could have said it better if I tried..........and believe me, I've tried.

[Barbecueboy]

It is pretty black and white actually. The only reason this came up was because of the final appeal aka a Hail Mary. A final appeal doesn't make it all of sudden any less black and white. If they couldn't prove there case in the first appeal. What makes you think it's gonna happen this time around?

Most of this topic is you arguing, blabbering out gibberish and contradicting yourself. Like when you said a "friend" told you they weren't taking tire samples. But when somebody said that wasn't the case. You stated that you are a "see for yourself kinda guy".

You and you only are the reason this topic is 8 pages. Not because people are talking about it. Child, please.

Actually I said " somebody that was there told me they weren't taking samples during the begnning of the summer nationals ( right after the dream announcement).

And they weren't........your man Heinz 57 took a post from a pierce fan 4 m member that said Bobby was being checked during that period......he found it and posted it.........truth is , he was wrong, nobody got checked, just as my buddy who was there said.

I also stated that I wasn't sure about any races at the end of the series being checked......that has since been verified that there were samples collected at the last few races by someone who was actually there.

It's been far from black and white from the beginning.............but in your mind, I'm the only guy questioning it , even though there are multiple examples in this very thread that show others aren't real comfortable with the process either........again, guys that actually go to the track more than a couple times a year.

You should try it.......you may learn something about racing instead of learning how to get wireless to work in moms basement so you can post.

[blncfn57]

Your going to be labeled a pig puller if you keep that up^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't really think I could have said it better if I tried..........and believe me, I've tried.

Again, it is not the sanctioning bodies job to figure out when a tire became illegal or who knew about it. It is only their job to enforce the rules. All they care about, and should care about, is if an illegal tire was ran in competition at one of their events.

[Barbecueboy]

It is pretty black and white actually. The only reason this came up was because of the final appeal aka a Hail Mary. A final appeal doesn't make it all of sudden any less black and white. If they couldn't prove there case in the first appeal. What makes you think it's gonna happen this time around?

Most of this topic is you arguing, blabbering out gibberish and contradicting yourself. Like when you said a "friend" told you they weren't taking tire samples. But when somebody said that wasn't the case. You stated that you are a "see for yourself kinda guy".

You and you only are the reason this topic is 8 pages. Not because people are talking about it. Child, please.

And nice aunt ester impersonation ......big dummy.

[turnleftandgasit]

If you can't prove you delivered a legal tire to the racer, how can you penalize the racer?

[Barbecueboy]

Again, it is not the sanctioning bodies job to figure out when a tire became illegal or who knew about it. It is only their job to enforce the rules. All they care about, and should care about, is if an illegal tire was ran in competition at one of their events.

Right......they shouldn't care about labeling the guys that get the bills paid as cheaters.

We don't care how they may have been contaminated or at what level of custody they could have been tainted......lets just assume like you have all said, they are all just cheaters

Let's just turn a blind eye to the almost unlimited potential of who , how and why and let's just hang it on the drivers.........they have no recourse anyway, correct?

Seems logical

[Cardirt0]

Again, it is not the sanctioning bodies job to figure out when a tire became illegal or who knew about it. It is only their job to enforce the rules. All they care about, and should care about, is if an illegal tire was ran in competition at one of their events.

But if Hoosier sells me a tire that is illegal, I should be able too sue them.....If I was them, and did not Dope my tire, I would sue them... Then Hoosier have too prove they did not.......