Final appeal

[turnleftandgasit]

Would you take medicine from a bottle that wasn't sealed? Why not? They took a sample of it at the factory.

[Barbecueboy]

If you can't prove you delivered a legal tire to the racer, how can you penalize the racer?

Stop making sense.......this conversation has no place for it......especially with huskerdirt and oldfart50 in the room.

[vande07]

If you can't prove you delivered a legal tire to the racer, how can you penalize the racer?

Last I checked, UMP, WRG, Lucas, MLRA, etc.,etc. don't sell or delivery any tires. They are the ones enforcing their rules (which is the tire samples must meet the benchmark provided by the tire manufacturer).

If this was Hoosier or Goodyear doing the testing, then yes I agree that they should be able to prove that they delivered a legal tire to the racer.

But, just like I was told when I was much younger by a police officer when I broke a law, "Just because you don't know you were breaking a law(rule) it doesn't change the fact that you broke it. You have to pay the price. Ignorance is not an excuse."

[Barbecueboy]

But if Hoosier sells me a tire that is illegal, I should be able too sue them.....If I was them, and did not Dope my tire, I would sue them... Then Hoosier have too prove they did not.......

Endless possibilities..........I've said from the beginning, somebody that doesn't mind throwing a little money at it is going to make an example out of somebody.

That's when the serious changing of the tire rule will get done.......

In due time , not a matter of if but when.........wrong guy is going to get accused and something will get done.......write it down.

[huskerdirt]

If you can't prove you delivered a legal tire to the racer, how can you penalize the racer?

If you can't prove you didn't alter the tire after delivery. Then why should the manufacturer prove they delivered a legal tire.

[Cardirt0]

Stop making sense.......this conversation has no place for it......especially with huskerdirt and oldfart50 in the room.

Cant be leave I am with turnleft on this, But hes right, If they cant prove that they were given a Clean tire, Then UMP cant prove that it was not clean be for they got it......

[Barbecueboy]

Last I checked, UMP, WRG, Lucas, MLRA, etc.,etc. don't sell or delivery any tires. They are the ones enforcing their rules (which is the tire samples must meet the benchmark provided by the tire manufacturer).

If this was Hoosier or Goodyear doing the testing, then yes I agree that they should be able to prove that they delivered a legal tire to the racer.

But, just like I was told when I was much younger by a police officer when I broke a law, "Just because you don't know you were breaking a law(rule) it doesn't change the fact that you broke it. You have to pay the price. Ignorance is not an excuse."

True , but the police officer has a much more defined set of rules and circumstances that determine your guilt 100 % most of the time.......that or they saw you break the law.

Neither of which applies to this tire fiasco........nobody saw them......they deny it and the testing policy.....and it's possible that the tires could have been tainted completely without their knowledge in shipping ,manufacturing,etc.......

I agree with your theory of ignorance is no excuse..........there is a difference in not knowing the law, and not knowing your buddy dropped his weed under your seat that you couldn't have possibly known about.

[Barbecueboy]

If you can't prove a delivered tire was illegal. Then how can you prove that the manufacturer made/delivered you an illegal tire????

By the benchmark silly.......they can have it sent to the blue ridge labs.......oh wait?

[Barbecueboy]

Cant be leave I am with turnleft on this, But hes right, If they cant prove that they were given a Clean tire, Then UMP cant prove that it was not clean be for they got it......

Oh y'all stop it.......husker says I'm the only one on the planet that has a problem with the tire rule.

Just ask her.

[huskerdirt]

Oh y'all stop it.......husker says I'm the only one on the planet that has a problem with the tire rule.

Just ask her.

Nope.. Didn't say that. I said you are the only reason this topic is 8 pages long. Just look how many times you posted in this thread. Never once referenced the tire rule at all in my post. Stop putting words in my mouth.

[blncfn57]

Oh y'all stop it.......husker says I'm the only one on the planet that has a problem with the tire rule.

Just ask her.

yea, now hoosier let 5 tires leave their factory wrong. lol I have to bow out of this conversation as the level of common sense has sunk to an all time low. 5 tires were wrong.... its not a process problem, it wasn't a distribution problem...... it was an issue of the racers having at least a 75% chance of not getting caught, but they did.

[Cardirt0]

Here is something to think about... I have seen a driver go get a tire and say it needs too be at 78in in to be the right stager.. so its at 77in so they pump it up to 90 pounds of air ... gave it 20 min then drop it to 8 pounds were they start the race at if it is 78 in they go with it, if it dont they go get a new tire and do it all over agen....Tires is a art you may run a smaller tire on the left to get the right Stager.. One night you may want 3in stager the next you may want 6in stager...This makes tire more EX$ cause it may take 3 tires too get the one you want.....Then you have too hope they say its Clean Bull$hit.....

[Cardirt0]

Here how you stop this 10 20 30 40 Use all 4 and then you dont need to dope them.......Why dope a tire to a 30 if you can buy one......

[huskerdirt]

yea, now hoosier let 5 tires leave their factory wrong. lol I have to bow out of this conversation as the level of common sense has sunk to an all time low. 5 tires were wrong.... its not a process problem, it wasn't a distribution problem...... it was an issue of the racers having at least a 75% chance of not getting caught, but they did.

People refuse to believe that those guys legimately got caught. Whether it was unintentional or not. They still got caught. 2 of them have a track record of being tire dopers. If people honestly think that the tire could've been chemically altered by any other way than the actual process of doing it. Sadly that's not the case. Tire doping is a process that occurs before they even get the track.

As Jim Moon says.... 7 ounces gets you caught, 6 ounces you are good.

[Cardirt0]

People refuse to believe that those guys legimately got caught. Whether it was unintentional or not. They still got caught. 2 of them have a track record of being tire dopers. If people honestly think that the tire could've been chemically altered by any other way than the actual process of doing it. Sadly that's not the case. Tire doping is a process that occurs before they even get the track.

As Jim Moon says.... 7 ounces gets you caught, 6 ounces you are good.

Use to unload the car.. Its all dirty, I spray it down with a cleaner and let it sit a hour. Were at a Red clay track so its all stained so I spray it down good ... Come back and wash it off with the power washer.. Will I just Doped the Tires......