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Can't see where you want to call Cruz a dingbat, but I'm sure convincing you otherwise would be impossible. You sound like you would rather have middle of the road people that just keep letting the constitution get trampled out of existence.
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Yeh right, In Houston, from his mom and kids. Think his dad sat down. Are you a complete idiot along with Cruz? I got a standing ovation once at the Scouts Fater son Cake auction. It didn't mean much either.Originally posted by LITE-INN View Postted crewes got a 8 minute standing ovation last weekend he must doing something right
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It's not about what I agree with. It's about them upholding their pledge. We had a tax increase, incase you didn't notice. They have forced a sequester and the first thing when their threat came back to haunt them, they wanted exceptions for defense. They haven't got rid of Obama care. There are still bailouts in the form of crony capitalism. Some of them even argued for some of these when the sequester hit defense spending. Spending is still out of control. Government size is not reduced.Originally posted by mudeater18 View PostAgain. Here is the Tea Party Mission Statement.
Now, which of these principles do you disagree with and why ???
It seems they are ineffective and didn't gain enough seats in congress to change that. That should tell you that most people don't want their kind of change. Even the Republican party, more or less shut them out of the convention for 2012.
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I'm sure you know that failure to pay the bills of the United States is contrary to the constitution. Your Ted Cruz, with a no vote trampled the constitution, even though it passed. The Patriot act trampled the constitution. Spending close to 50% of our budget on defense tramples the constitution. Ear marks and crony capitalism tramples the constitution. They wouldn't be able to read the constitution if it was sitting on their nose. The constitution has been twisted so much that we no longer have a republic that represents all of the people. It represents special interests of the far right, far left, the rich but not the common man. You my friend, just can't see.Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View PostCan't see where you want to call Cruz a dingbat, but I'm sure convincing you otherwise would be impossible. You sound like you would rather have middle of the road people that just keep letting the constitution get trampled out of existence.
I would be very happy to have a administration like middle of the road Eisenhower or Truman and even Kennedy. FDR wasn't even as bad as Clinton, Bush or Obama.
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You dem's answer this question. Why are the red state democrats now wanting a delay on individual mandate in Obamacare. When just 2 weeks ago during the shutdown? The house pass a bill that approved all spending and had a delay with individual mandate. The also want the delay to last till Jan 1st 2015 wonder why? I know the answer, but as a true conservative, I will not vote for a republican that votes for delay for a year ever. Democrats had their change to delay obamacare and decline just 2 weeks ago. If delay occurs, it should only last till next March at the latest.
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You're right, they didn't have enough voices to make those changes. But, you see what we are getting from the people who did have enough voices.Originally posted by Bubstr View PostIt's not about what I agree with. It's about them upholding their pledge. We had a tax increase, incase you didn't notice. They have forced a sequester and the first thing when their threat came back to haunt them, they wanted exceptions for defense. They haven't got rid of Obama care. There are still bailouts in the form of crony capitalism. Some of them even argued for some of these when the sequester hit defense spending. Spending is still out of control. Government size is not reduced.
It seems they are ineffective and didn't gain enough seats in congress to change that. That should tell you that most people don't want their kind of change. Even the Republican party, more or less shut them out of the convention for 2012.
- Obama Care, which is a nightmare.
- Nearly an $18 trillion dollar national debt that is growing by hundres of thousands every hour.
- Fewer people employed than any time since the Great Depression.
- More than double the amount of people on welfare than in '08 when Barry took office.
- 1 of 5 children living in poverty conditions
and this list goes on, and on, and on............
So, do you think this is NOT the fault of the current administration and it's failed policies?
You choose to believe it is the fault of the small # that are using their heads to try to reverse the situation we are currently in ?
Wow ! Unbelievable !Attached Files
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NO, this is the fault of not only the President but, Congress as well. They all have to take responsibility for this mess. There is no way if they all worked together that we would be in this shape. Some of you just like to blame the Dems but, you fail to remember for the last 13 years this country has been heading down the wrong path and more than half of that time the Repubs have been in control of at least the House, Senate or the Presidency. THEY ARE ALL TO BLAME.Originally posted by mudeater18 View PostYou're right, they didn't have enough voices to make those changes. But, you see what we are getting from the people who did have enough voices.
- Obama Care, which is a nightmare.
- Nearly an $18 trillion dollar national debt that is growing by hundres of thousands every hour.
- Fewer people employed than any time since the Great Depression.
- More than double the amount of people on welfare than in '08 when Barry took office.
- 1 of 5 children living in poverty conditions
and this list goes on, and on, and on............
So, do you think this is NOT the fault of the current administration and it's failed policies?
You choose to believe it is the fault of the small # that are using their heads to try to reverse the situation we are currently in ?
Wow ! Unbelievable !
Last edited by kidrock; 10-24-2013, 07:05 PM.
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What amazes me is you think it's all Obama's fault. I wouldn't even give the last big recession, the largest since the great depression, on Bush. All of our unemployment, poverty and even health care woes are drirectly related to Wall Street deregulation by both sides. It has been an all out asult on the middle class by both sides, from anti union, anti socialist on one side and creating government dependency and putting the bill on the middle class from the other side. The only time there is bipartisanship is when they are going to screw the middle class.Originally posted by mudeater18 View PostYou're right, they didn't have enough voices to make those changes. But, you see what we are getting from the people who did have enough voices.
- Obama Care, which is a nightmare.
- Nearly an $18 trillion dollar national debt that is growing by hundres of thousands every hour.
- Fewer people employed than any time since the Great Depression.
- More than double the amount of people on welfare than in '08 when Barry took office.
- 1 of 5 children living in poverty conditions
and this list goes on, and on, and on............
So, do you think this is NOT the fault of the current administration and it's failed policies?
You choose to believe it is the fault of the small # that are using their heads to try to reverse the situation we are currently in ?
Wow ! Unbelievable !
Well get ready to get bent over again. A amnesty bill should hit the floor of the House next week or the week after and your going to find out who your buddies are. Amnesty and close borders, wich will never happen and you will have more cheap abundant labor to compete with. The last time a bill just like this was passed under Regan and you have seen how the borders where closed. That was a republican bill that time. It must be the democrats turn to screw us.
I really don't care what they say, just what they do. Results are reality. Since Unions have been weakened, immigration increased and the 80% 90% tax on the rich has been cut, our middle class has taken the hit. That is reality. You just fail to see, it is the right and left against you. You failed to purchase your politicians and the Unions can't afford it any longer.
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I'm just going to agree to disagree with you. In my view you can't "borrow your way out of debt" ! I don't see the point of using my MasterCard to make a payment on my Visa. But maybe that's just me.Originally posted by Bubstr View PostWhat amazes me is you think it's all Obama's fault. I wouldn't even give the last big recession, the largest since the great depression, on Bush. All of our unemployment, poverty and even health care woes are drirectly related to Wall Street deregulation by both sides. It has been an all out asult on the middle class by both sides, from anti union, anti socialist on one side and creating government dependency and putting the bill on the middle class from the other side. The only time there is bipartisanship is when they are going to screw the middle class.
Well get ready to get bent over again. A amnesty bill should hit the floor of the House next week or the week after and your going to find out who your buddies are. Amnesty and close borders, wich will never happen and you will have more cheap abundant labor to compete with. The last time a bill just like this was passed under Regan and you have seen how the borders where closed. That was a republican bill that time. It must be the democrats turn to screw us.
I really don't care what they say, just what they do. Results are reality. Since Unions have been weakened, immigration increased and the 80% 90% tax on the rich has been cut, our middle class has taken the hit. That is reality. You just fail to see, it is the right and left against you. You failed to purchase your politicians and the Unions can't afford it any longer.
Hopefully a lot of people will wise up between now and Nov.'16 so we can start to repair our declining nation. Have a nice day !Attached Files
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If you read my post it does not say Obama only, it says "current administration and it's failed policies".Originally posted by kidrock View PostNO, this is the fault of not only the President but, Congress as well. They all have to take responsibility for this mess. There is no way if they all worked together that we would be in this shape. Some of you just like to blame the Dems but, you fail to remember for the last 13 years this country has been heading down the wrong path and more than half of that time the Repubs have been in control of at least the House, Senate or the Presidency. THEY ARE ALL TO BLAME.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-budget-deficit-2011-7
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Well my understanding of current administration would mean Obama so, do you mean Obama plus the republican house and the senate dems?Originally posted by mudeater18 View PostIf you read my post it does not say Obama only, it says "current administration and it's failed policies".Last edited by kidrock; 10-24-2013, 09:57 PM.
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No my friend, I am not a Liberal or a so called conservative, I am a Realist. You don't live in a world of reality if you think either so called liberal or conservative has your interests in mind. You didn't buy them.Originally posted by LITE-INN View Postyou are just a liberal
Stop copy and pasting and think for yourself for a change.
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I see you found another copy and paste. Tell us what you think about this article. Are the unions against amnesty? Is having Hispanic union members a reason to be against it or for it? Would they be against if if they had no Hispanics in the unions? Are you for or against Amnesty? Are you for or against prison terms for employers that hire Illegals? Do you want the borders closed? Do you want to pay to have the borders closed?Originally posted by LITE-INN View Post
Here is the big question, do you believe Amnesty will make our country's working citizen more job secure or less and will it improve his standard of living?
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