Video: Obama on the National Debt

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If you trace the history of what is now Obamacare, you will find that Conservatives embraced the individual mandate and proposed it long before Obama took it up and pushed it.

At the time Clinton was arguing for single payer, and the Conservatives said NO, government should not be the single payer, what we should do instead is pass an individual mandate law that requires everyone to have HEALTH INSURANCE or pay a penalty. At the time conservatives were pushing for the individual mandate to keep insurance companies in the game, instead of eliminating the health insurance industry altogether in favor of nationalized medicine.

This is all kind of a waste of time with you though. Please, go back to calling me a stupid liberal who "don't know nothing bout nothing and don't need to know no steenking facts....."

Don't confuse the FOX /Rush conservative with facts. He only has two choices. Ignore it or go into brain overload.

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I don't need to read someones opinion. I will wait and see how this all plays out and then and only then will that be factual. So much is being put out there that somewhere in the middle is probably the actual truth.

that real good let everything go to crap and say dang that didn't work really you got be smarter than that

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Don't confuse the FOX /Rush conservative with facts. He only has two choices. Ignore it or go into brain overload.

http://www.heritage.org/

[Clayton_Wetter]

Just like courses, there are sources for horses. Some people need a source to think for them. If you read Lite's article, maybe you would like to answer the questions that, that article should make you think about. If that's not possible, just keep on letting some one else think for you. Common knowledge should point out at least two examples of slanting in that article. Lite posted the article. Is the article completely factual? Was it slanted? What does the article say or not say about the subject?

I guess I am a brick wall, when it comes to someone twisting truth, slanting, phrasing or misconception to influence simple minds. It's done in a subtle way, so a lot of people don't catch it.

(I see you found another copy and paste. Tell us what you think about this article. Are the unions against amnesty? Is having Hispanic union members a reason to be against it or for it? Would they be against if if they had no Hispanics in the unions? Are you for or against Amnesty? Are you for or against prison terms for employers that hire Illegals? Do you want the borders closed? Do you want to pay to have the borders closed?

Here is the big question, do you believe Amnesty will make our country's working citizen more job secure or less and will it improve his standard of living? )

I believe that the Amnesty talk should end and be trashed in the dumpster totally. Then secure the border and enforce all of the existing laws that the left has ignored while in power. You know this is all about securing massive new Democrat voters and helping bolster the weakening unions!!! You are not hip with the truth and the facts if you can't agree with all of this.

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How in the heck can anyone say it's bad when it hasn't even taken affect yet. Yes people are having trouble signing up but, they have time to fix the problem and get people signed up. No one knows if this is going to be bad or good at this point. What I do know is that most Republicans are going to say it's bad and that most Dems are going to say it good but, no one really knows.

ObummerCare is not about improving healthcare or reducing costs. It is about the government taking over healthcare. Nobody will be above the wrath of Progressives in government when it becomes single payer. You have already seen how corrupt these people from the white house down are with the IRS targeting people who are not LOYAL to their cause. When you combine all of the knowledge bewteen all government agencies being combined including the NSA there is nothing to stop them from tergeting ANY citizen that they want when FLAGS of antisocialism are identified amoung all citizens.

When your government gets too much power and info access like what IS happening they will use it to their advantage to get even more. You are not looking at the clear and present dangers facing the people here and instead are drinking your weekly shipment of propaganda media and sociaist government is good KOOL-AID.

You need to get away from this notion that Obummer is trying to do what is best with you and ObummerCare is even workable in a free society.

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I believe that the Amnesty talk should end and be trashed in the dumpster totally. Then secure the border and enforce all of the existing laws that the left has ignored while in power. You know this is all about securing massive new Democrat voters and helping bolster the weakening unions!!! You are not hip with the truth and the facts if you can't agree with all of this.

I do agree on everything but closing the border, if you mean fences and guards. This presents a enormous cost. The better way would be to take away the incentives for them to come or stay. Start fining and jail terms for employers that knowingly or not hire illegal aliens. Stop providing free education and health care. Change the anchor baby law. The illegals would deport their self.

This may sound unsympathetic and hard, but the fact is these illegals are being exploited and in turn that exploits every citizen worker to some degree, not to mention a huge tax burden.

I can't say I've talked to one person that is for amnesty in the last 20 years, so I don't know where they are getting the polling data from, that says the majority is for it. What I can say with relative confidence is, it will pass with bipartisan support. The people that fund campaigns want it. They profit from it and they paid for it and that goes for both sides. One side or the other will put up token resistance but it will pass eventually.

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I do agree on everything but closing the border, if you mean fences and guards. This presents a enormous cost. The better way would be to take away the incentives for them to come or stay. Start fining and jail terms for employers that knowingly or not hire illegal aliens. Stop providing free education and health care. Change the anchor baby law. The illegals would deport their self.

This may sound unsympathetic and hard, but the fact is these illegals are being exploited and in turn that exploits every citizen worker to some degree, not to mention a huge tax burden.

I can't say I've talked to one person that is for amnesty in the last 20 years, so I don't know where they are getting the polling data from, that says the majority is for it. What I can say with relative confidence is, it will pass with bipartisan support. The people that fund campaigns want it. They profit from it and they paid for it and that goes for both sides. One side or the other will put up token resistance but it will pass eventually.

Well, they could have used that stinking slush fund called a stimulus and or the wasted dough on ObummerCare websites and the whole law itself and had the stupid border sealed instead and we would have actually had something to show instead!

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Well, they could have used that stinking slush fund called a stimulus and or the wasted dough on ObummerCare websites and the whole law itself and had the stupid border sealed instead and we would have actually had something to show instead!

Building a higher fence, just means using a longer ladder. It has been and will be just as terrible waste of money as ACA or stimulus money. Actually Stimulus money was semi effective. They could have done a lot better if there wasn't so much Crony Capitalism involved.

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Building a higher fence, just means using a longer ladder. It has been and will be just as terrible waste of money as ACA or stimulus money. Actually Stimulus money was semi effective. They could have done a lot better if there wasn't so much Crony Capitalism involved.

I'm talking about fences and walls that are secured with surveilance, eletricity and razor blades if necessary. Not some token piece fencing with a couple rows of barbed wires. Focused dedication, not matadors looking the other way. With a useless ICE and DHS backing them up!

Many nations would actually have a shoot first and don't ask questions later policy!!

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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-pitch-immigration-overhaul-mexico-070337307.html

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I'm talking about fences and walls that are secured with surveilance, eletricity and razor blades if necessary. Not some token piece fencing with a couple rows of barbed wires. Focused dedication, not matadors looking the other way. With a useless ICE and DHS backing them up!

Many nations would actually have a shoot first and don't ask questions later policy!!

I can see you have never driven I10, Texas to Ca., much less right on what border roads there are. It's a long ways. No it is a really really really long long long ways. and it is really remote areas. I've been across the border and back with out seeing any person, much less border patrol.

Securing that border, would be like pouring sand down a rat hole. You may get different results when sitting behind a keyboard. If you take away the incentive to cross the border illegally, it stops being a problem. Just look to the Canadian border.

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I can see you have never driven I10, Texas to Ca., much less right on what border roads there are. It's a long ways. No it is a really really really long long long ways. and it is really remote areas. I've been across the border and back with out seeing any person, much less border patrol.

Securing that border, would be like pouring sand down a rat hole. You may get different results when sitting behind a keyboard. If you take away the incentive to cross the border illegally, it stops being a problem. Just look to the Canadian border.

Now the Great Wall in China is a long way.

Modern alarm systems and border mobility is more than capable of dealing with your sand theory.

The DHS bought all of those 2,000 plus vehicles for what reason? To use against it's own people? When they could be used at the border?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...let-stockpile/

What do you think about that news Bubster?

[Bubstr]

Now the Great Wall in China is a long way.

Modern alarm systems and border mobility is more than capable of dealing with your sand theory.

The DHS bought all of those 2,000 plus vehicles for what reason? To use against it's own people? When they could be used at the border?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...let-stockpile/

What do you think about that news Bubster?

I think he said that one vehicle and 17 men covered half of the New Mexico / Mexico border. Where are the rest?.

Border patrol doesn't employ a man per mile of border, but that should be no probem for big spending republicans. Mitch can just put another ear mark on Obama care.

You really don't see how big and remote that border is. The illegals they catch are usually caught quite a ways from the border at road blocks.

By the way, The Great wall of China took around a century to build and it didn't keep the Mongols out or the Chinese in, except for the millions of slaves who's bones was used for foundation. Ask the French how their border fort system worked for the 2ond world war. A 17th century plan for a 20th century problem.

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I think he said that one vehicle and 17 men covered half of the New Mexico / Mexico border. Where are the rest?.

Border patrol doesn't employ a man per mile of border, but that should be no probem for big spending republicans. Mitch can just put another ear mark on Obama care.

You really don't see how big and remote that border is. The illegals they catch are usually caught quite a ways from the border at road blocks.

By the way, The Great wall of China took around a century to build and it didn't keep the Mongols out or the Chinese in, except for the millions of slaves who's bones was used for foundation. Ask the French how their border fort system worked for the 2ond world war. A 17th century plan for a 20th century problem.

Have you not heard the news? We have new responsible Republicans that are trying to cut spending and balance the budget and one running against Mitch too. But please don't mention Obummers Administration and Progressive buddies that are running the debt ceiling clear to the moon. No make sure the blame goes to Republicans. Yes I see your true colors now too!

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I think he said that one vehicle and 17 men covered half of the New Mexico / Mexico border. Where are the rest?.

Border patrol doesn't employ a man per mile of border, but that should be no probem for big spending republicans. Mitch can just put another ear mark on Obama care.

You really don't see how big and remote that border is. The illegals they catch are usually caught quite a ways from the border at road blocks.

By the way, The Great wall of China took around a century to build and it didn't keep the Mongols out or the Chinese in, except for the millions of slaves who's bones was used for foundation. Ask the French how their border fort system worked for the 2ond world war. A 17th century plan for a 20th century problem.

The Mongols did not face technology!!!