Busch And The Championship

[mudslinger47]

Yep, you win, while NASCAR becomes less relevant every day due to attendance and TV viewership is tanking badly. Your kind are getting fewer by the day, and as I said before, the proof is in the numbers. The proof is clearly evident by the empty seats and TV ratings less than half of what they once were. By all means, enjoy it. LOL!! GO PEE WEE JR.!!

Your correct, I win.... And I suspect that NASCAR will be around long after I'm dead and gone, and if your still alive, you will probably still be not watching and bitching.... talk about an oxymoron....

[kidrock]

I think racing in general has lost its luster. It's not only NASCAR that has seen a decline. Your track tracks are it what they used to be that's for sure.

[mudslinger47]

I think racing in general has lost its luster. It's not only NASCAR that has seen a decline. Your track tracks are it what they used to be that's for sure.

Ya your probably right kid, the local shows suffer a bit with not only not great attendance but small car counts, which ends up with 5 or 6 classes a night just to keep the place open....the bigger shows have great attendance, I went to the Diamond nationals at Wheatland Mo and it was packed as it was for the North/South.... both nights were about standing room only.... our team raced at I-80 in Nebraska the next week and I was told there was a packed house there... I didn't get to go to Ne. cause I was still in Mo.

[mudslinger47]

Well, time to watch practice and qualifying.... ya, I do watch it all....

[A ron]

What's the point? They will throw 3 GWC's at the end Sunday anyway. Might as well just turn em all loose for 3 laps and whoever makes it through the crash wins. Would save a whole lot of time.

[mudslinger47]

Actually ended up watching more Nationwide practice then Cup.... like those road courses.... JGR is strong this year... Matt K on the pole with Denny beside him and Carl behind Matt..... Kyle screwed the pooch in 3 & 4 and lost a shot at an all Gibbs top four, Kyle starts sixth....He just slipped a little and lost less then a tenth of a sec. Good job by all...

[CIRF]

Your correct, I win.... And I suspect that NASCAR will be around long after I'm dead and gone, and if your still alive, you will probably still be not watching and bitching.... talk about an oxymoron....

Like I said, you're one of the few that wins, but your vigorous defense, justification and rationalization won't bring back the hundreds of thousands that no longer attend Cup races and the millions that no longer watch Cup races due to the silly gimmicks. Not sure that is a legitimate source of pride, or not.

If merely pointing out the obvious mistakes and shortcomings of NASCAR is bitching then I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you. It's actually sad to see what has happened to an entity that I once thoroughly enjoyed be reduced to a carnival. And a cheap carnival, at that.

And, I wouldn't make any huge wagers at this point in time that NASCAR is going to be around in the form that it's in now, forever. They can only remove so many seats and when the TV ratings drop to the point that even the obscure cable sports channels can't make any money broadcasting the races then there is a serious problem. There is no indication that attendance and TV viewership has bottomed out, yet.

But none of that matters now. We need to focus on cheering on pee wee jr.!!

I think racing in general has lost its luster. It's not only NASCAR that has seen a decline. Your track tracks are it what they used to be that's for sure.

Kid, there are some racing events that have grown exponentially during the period that NASCAR has experienced the dramatic drop in interest. Take The Chili Bowl, for instance. That thing has exploded in the last decade. The Knoxville Nationals has also grown in popularity in the recent past and that's not to mention the short track popularity during the month of February in Florida and the dirt late model Crown Jewels at Eldora. If the product is good and gimmick free people still gravitate towards those events.

Oh, by the way Kid, are you going to be doing the State Fair races at Springfield and/or Macon and Lincoln POWRi shows next weekend?



GO PEE WEE JR.!!

[kidrock]

Like I said, you're one of the few that wins, but your vigorous defense, justification and rationalization won't bring back the hundreds of thousands that no longer attend Cup races and the millions that no longer watch Cup races due to the silly gimmicks. Not sure that is a legitimate source of pride, or not.

If merely pointing out the obvious mistakes and shortcomings of NASCAR is bitching then I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you. It's actually sad to see what has happened to an entity that I once thoroughly enjoyed be reduced to a carnival. And a cheap carnival, at that.

And, I wouldn't make any huge wagers at this point in time that NASCAR is going to be around in the form that it's in now, forever. They can only remove so many seats and when the TV ratings drop to the point that even the obscure cable sports channels can't make any money broadcasting the races then there is a serious problem. There is no indication that attendance and TV viewership has bottomed out, yet.

But none of that matters now. We need to focus on cheering on pee wee jr.!!

Kid, there are some racing events that have grown exponentially during the period that NASCAR has experienced the dramatic drop in interest. Take The Chili Bowl, for instance. That thing has exploded in the last decade. The Knoxville Nationals has also grown in popularity in the recent past and that's not to mention the short track popularity during the month of February in Florida and the dirt late model Crown Jewels at Eldora. If the product is good and gimmick free people still gravitate towards those events.

Oh, by the way Kid, are you going to be doing the State Fair races at Springfield and/or Macon and Lincoln POWRi shows next weekend?



GO PEE WEE JR.!!

sure we can talk about a few events but overall its not healthy in my opinion.

with my new job i will be working on saturdays now and the problem with that is i have no idea from day to day what time i get off work. i go in at 8:00 a.m. and dont get off until the last job is done and that can be anywhere from 2:30 to 8:00 in the p.m. so. i can not give you a honest answer as of right now.

[CIRF]

sure we can talk about a few events but overall its not healthy in my opinion.

with my new job i will be working on saturdays now and the problem with that is i have no idea from day to day what time i get off work. i go in at 8:00 a.m. and dont get off until the last job is done and that can be anywhere from 2:30 to 8:00 in the p.m. so. i can not give you a honest answer as of right now.

Well, I haven't seen any data, not sure if any exists so I can't say for sure.

I do know what I see at our local tracks and all of them are holding their own and in a couple of instances they are flourishing. Fairbury is one such venue that has increased their attendance over the past decade.

I believe Macon has probably somewhat increased their attendance partially due to them becoming a mainstay venue for the POWRi National Midgets and the addition of the Lucas Oil dirt late model 100 lapper in the spring. Although I wouldn't compare Macon to Fairbury in reference to attendance but I do believe they've increased their numbers in recent years. I've also been told that Tri-City down near St. Louis is doing well under Kevin Gundaker and his wife. Now, I completely understand that this is a tiny sample of the nationwide outlook.

Hope you can make it to some of the State Fair Weekend racing. We're pulling out with the camper for Springfield and the Fairgrounds on Tuesday. Gonna' spend some time relaxing on Lake Springfield, see some good friends that live in the Springfield area and do 4 races in just over 48 hours over next weekend. We look forward to this weekend all year, and have for a very long time.

[kidrock]

I guess I'm looking at the whole picture, car counts are down and they have added more classes which I will give you may contribute to lower car counts in each class but, the main reason for more classes as we all know is because some of the classes are just getting to expensive. I'm looking at the weekly shows and not the specials. I'm not trying to say game over I'm just saying in my opinion the sport in general whether it be on dirt or asphalt is not all that healthy now like I said it's just my opinion.

[mudslinger47]

I guess I'm looking at the whole picture, car counts are down and they have added more classes which I will give you may contribute to lower car counts in each class but, the main reason for more classes as we all know is because some of the classes are just getting to expensive. I'm looking at the weekly shows and not the specials. I'm not trying to say game over I'm just saying in my opinion the sport in general whether it be on dirt or asphalt is not all that healthy now like I said it's just my opinion.

Your right Kid.... I go to several speedways every summer and this summer regular shows have been light but the "big" shows have been pretty good....

[mudslinger47]

And good job by JGR again!!!! Congrats Matt!! And a decent crowd too.... who'd a thunk it? From what I heard in these parts no one ever goes to NASCAR races anymore....LOL

[CIRF]

And good job by JGR again!!!! Congrats Matt!! And a decent crowd too.... who'd a thunk it? From what I heard in these parts no one ever goes to NASCAR races anymore....LOL

Are you for real?

The last time I was at Michigan (1999 before all the stupid gimmicks) there were tens of thousands more permanent seats as there is now and the place was SOLD OUT. Even with all the seats that have been torn out the stands were nowhere near full yesterday.




GO PEE WEE JR.!!

[mudslinger47]

Are you for real?

The last time I was at Michigan (1999 before all the stupid gimmicks) there were tens of thousands more permanent seats as there is now and the place was SOLD OUT. Even with all the seats that have been torn out the stands were nowhere near full yesterday.




GO PEE WEE JR.!!

Yup, I am for real, and the seating that was shown was pretty full...hence my comment.... and from now on, you may refer to me as Mr. Nascar....LOL

[jog49]

To be the champion for any particular season, the points accumulation should represent your body of work for the entire season, and with no races thrown out of the calculation. NASCAR changed and ruined that notion a number of years ago so nowadays, it really doesn't matter. Newman almost won the whole thing by achieving very little so the significance is much diminished, IMO.