Tiregate lawsuit?

[a25rjr]

or broke keyboards!

[t3r3e3]

Yes, what I'm saying is that if a set of scales is reading 20lbs light then it is 20lbs light for all drivers. That is the entire point behind track scales being official. That is why the past 20 year everyone (aside from the 0 car) gets their car weighed when they get the track to determine if and by how much the scales are off and to adjust your weights based on that.

Exactly, so for the series I run I would need to take the Friday each race off and go set up the scales at the track we are running at the next day (which in some cases is a 4hr drive one way) then pay the state to come look my scales and certify them. So the grand total cost is $2000 for this new set of scales, and for each race is a day of work ($250 give or take), $50 in gas, and whatever the fee is for the state (its probably more but lets just say $50). That times 7 races is $2,450, so lets take that add it to the $2000 for the scales and then subtract that amount (4,450) from the my annual salary of $700 and we have -$3,750.00.

As you can see, it isn't financially feasible to run a small tour based around these parameters. Or I could take a much larger share of the money raised rather than pass it on to the drivers (IE I could cut the point fund, but I would have to cut the entire point fund and then some to make up that amount)

Thanks,
Jeff.

You say the way you do it is the only way. What about this:

Instead of worrying about setting up portable scales and getting then calibrated, why not just make sure that the tracks you schedule at have scales that have been certified? Far easier, and ensures that tracks who want a higher paying (and drawing) marquee show have their equipment in order. If they don't, schedule tracks that do. Easy solution, and involves none of the hassle you list. Different way, better result, less for you to have to worry about on race day.

[old fan]

When comes to eldora its all about the globes sanctions are secondary

[old fan]

little worried now aren't you , you know tony and company will have plenty of legal advice

[t3r3e3]

have you been with bloomer getting high again that is just plain stupid 90 plus other drivers went over the scales a few times off the weekend had no problem but almighty god bloomer goes across the scale and its all wrong again read the rule book

I bet you will understand it this way.....The next time you file a frivolous lawsuit against St Louis and win $100k. However when you receive your check its only $97.3k, afterall, the clerks calculator could be off 2.7%, just like Eldoras scales.

Don't get your panties in a wad though, theres just that much variance with un-calibrated calculators, so you should take your check and shut the heck up!

So if 90000 other people safely walked across a St Louie sidewalk, how high was Litey? After all, everyone else made it across that nasty sidewalk day or night, sun or snow? Why not Litey? It's a rhetorical question, because 4m knows the answer.

[t3r3e3]

What about this one. Did you happen to read this one?

If you mean me, nope. I just replied to the scaling issue. If the tracks you select for series races have certified scales ( a relatively simple inspection by the state), then wouldn't weight be a non-issue? Thus, making your promoting duties slightly less complicated? Just proposing a simple solution to a seemingly large problem.

[a25rjr]

If you mean me, nope. I just replied to the scaling issue. If the tracks you select for series races have certified scales ( a relatively simple inspection by the state), then wouldn't weight be a non-issue? Thus, making your promoting duties slightly less complicated? Just proposing a simple solution to a seemingly large problem.

Naaaaa...it couldn't work that way.....thats too easy!

[Nasty55]

If you mean me, nope. I just replied to the scaling issue. If the tracks you select for series races have certified scales ( a relatively simple inspection by the state), then wouldn't weight be a non-issue? Thus, making your promoting duties slightly less complicated? Just proposing a simple solution to a seemingly large problem.

Jeff always tries to make sh!t out to more than what it has to be!

[t3r3e3]

Naaaaa...it couldn't work that way.....thats too easy!

The whole portable scale setup and constant recalibration argument seemed thin and without merit. Put the scaling certification responsibility on the tracks that want your series and its cars. No certification, no awarded series date. No lawsuits over weight either.

[a25rjr]

The whole portable scale setup and constant recalibration argument seemed thin and without merit. Put the scaling certification responsibility on the tracks that want your series and its cars. No certification, no awarded series date. No lawsuits over weight either.

Yep, that's a bogus argument of his. Most racers send their scales off for calibration every year or two. We have a 20 year old set of Intercomps that have been checked several times and they have always been spot on.

[old fan]

so if 90000 other people safely walked across a st louie sidewalk, how high was litey? After all, everyone else made it across that nasty sidewalk day or night, sun or snow? Why not litey? It's a rhetorical question, because 4m knows the answer.

and you don't know chit the area was in disrepair you know like coke and dopes brain

[t3r3e3]

No, that was in reference to BBQ.

As you say that is how we do it, the past four or six or however many pages have been in reference to BBQ thinking it is unacceptable for scales to be off by a few lbs. We have raced at some pretty high profile tracks this year that have scales off by 10-20-even 30 lbs. just this season.

My idea was for you, as series director, to select only tracks who have current, valid, calibrated scales as a condition for awarding a series date. You mentioned the onerous process of setting up portable scales if the basic "track scales trump all" mandate was not good enough. I gave you an alternative that was easy and less time consuming.

[Barbecueboy]

(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)in Democrats

That was good for a lol........thanks.

[old fan]

everywhere i buy gas is on private property.......every grocer i go to is on private property.....every time i buy bulk anything it's generally on private property.you know what else is on all those private properties..........pumps and scales that have been checked and certified by someone from the state the business operates in.

again read the rule book

[t3r3e3]

How so?

In our agreement with tracks and drivers their scales are official. As a result I've never had need to deal with these things other than to be at the scales as the cars are weighed. I don't have to do paperwork, or get anything certified, etc.

Today on this post I've been informed that in PA the scales must be certified, that is news to me (however I assume not to the tracks that we visit as it would be their responsibility)

Were my series to race in a state that does not require certification then argument is entirely valid. Any small series running in a state that does not require tracks to have their scales certified would have the same issue. Either risk litigation by a driver if the scales are determined to be out of compliance, or cover the bases yourself at great expense as outlined previously.

With that said, I've spent a few minutes searching the PA Dept. of Weights and Measures site and nowhere in its responsibilities are racing facilities listed in any way. I searched on their site for terms like race track, dirt track, stock car, lernerville, williams grove, port royal, etc. all with no results. In addition as stated they have responsibilities listed out and racing is not mentioned.

The Weights & Measures Division is responsible for regulating:

Retail Motor Fuel Dispensers
Coal
Firewood
Home Heating Oil
Liquid Propane Gas
Small and Medium Commercial Scales
Large Truck Scales
Checkout Scanner Systems
Package Checking
Timing Devices
Petroleum Terminal Facilities

Thanks,
Jeff.

Wasn't trying to start a Pi$$ing match here. Merely giving you a lawsuit-proof solution that is very easy and costs you nothing time wise or monetarily. Make the awarding of race dates contingent upon the track showing you proof of valid, current scale certification through the date of the proposed series race. If scales are state certified and current, no lawsuit over weighing light would hold up in court. Also, your ruling as a series would be unassailable. All because you ensured the tracks were current and certified. Do you follow my logic here? Not arguing, just presenting another, cleaner solution to the time consuming portable scale solution.