Lucas rules

[Clayton_Wetter]

move the seat over away from the door

How about moving the door away from the seat instead? hahahahahahahaaa

[vande077]

The problem is they are not $500 seats. I overlooked the SFI part (and its significance) at first. Those are $2k+ seats at least. I'm not saying the National guys cant afford them, but this will have disastrous consequences when the tours come to town and expect to draw local cars.

There is more than 1 company out there to buy seats from. My brother had one that met these rules he paid $500 for and numerous IMCA guys have them (and they race for PEANUTS compared to any SLM).

[Ryan21mid]

Yea all the touring guys lucas and woo it shouldnt rele affect them. But it sucks for budget local guys and hopefully im wrong but it looks like all ump lates will have these rules. http://www.dirtcarump.com/2016/11/09...council-specs/

Yes, this rule will be in affect for UMP Late Models as well as UMP Crates. I'd have to assume the SFI 39.2 Specification will be removed and simply a containment seat will be required. There's no way weekly guys can afford NASCAR seats so I'd expect that to be revised.

[dangerdann]

Yea all the touring guys lucas and woo it shouldnt rele affect them. But it sucks for budget local guys and hopefully im wrong but it looks like all ump lates will have these rules. http://www.dirtcarump.com/2016/11/09...council-specs/

[W2Racing09]

The problem is they are not $500 seats. I overlooked the SFI part (and its significance) at first. Those are $2k+ seats at least. I'm not saying the National guys cant afford them, but this will have disastrous consequences when the tours come to town and expect to draw local cars.

[fastford]

Personally, I see no issue with safety rules. If the Series didn't require safety belts and helmets, there'd be an idiot driving without them.

As far as the seats go, MOST forms of racing have a long ways to go on seats (or requirements for them). At the Late Model Nationals in September at Knoxville, I saw numerous cars with $40-100 seats (that IMO shouldn't even be allowed to be sold on the market).

Why, because they're the cheapest. Sometimes you have to save drivers (and owners) from themselves. They'll spend $200,000 to chase a tour (minimum) but won't spend $500 on a seat? Willing to spend $40,000+ on an engine, but not willing to spend $1000 for a fire bottle system? Willing to spend $800 (per event) on tires but not willing to spend $1000 on a fuel cell?

The argument that it will put teams out of business is laughable. All these rules put together don't scratch the surface of what teams are spending on replacing parts that aren't worn out yet.

not every one racing a late model is spending or has that kind of money, im all for safty, but a lot of this stuff is way over priced. How much do you think the actual materials cost to build that $500 PLUS SEAT? AS FAR AS FIRE GOES, I THINK MORE RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD BE PUT ON THE TRACKS TO HAVE BETTER EQUIPPED SAFETY CREWS. sorry, left the caps lock button on.....

[vande077]

Personally, I see no issue with safety rules. If the Series didn't require safety belts and helmets, there'd be an idiot driving without them.

As far as the seats go, MOST forms of racing have a long ways to go on seats (or requirements for them). At the Late Model Nationals in September at Knoxville, I saw numerous cars with $40-100 seats (that IMO shouldn't even be allowed to be sold on the market).

Why, because they're the cheapest. Sometimes you have to save drivers (and owners) from themselves. They'll spend $200,000 to chase a tour (minimum) but won't spend $500 on a seat? Willing to spend $40,000+ on an engine, but not willing to spend $1000 for a fire bottle system? Willing to spend $800 (per event) on tires but not willing to spend $1000 on a fuel cell?

The argument that it will put teams out of business is laughable. All these rules put together don't scratch the surface of what teams are spending on replacing parts that aren't worn out yet.

[Ryan21mid]

On his most recent DoD story, JD said him and Barry are developing a new car and are going to move the cage around a little to make the greenhouse a little bigger and make it easier to get out of if its upside down so things are already in the works there.

[Josh Bayko]

leave the driver where there at and move the door bars and the left side of the hoop out 3 or 4 inches , probably wouldnt change much on set up.

I agree it wouldn't change setup all that much, it still would require pretty significant updates to basically every late model chassis in the country. It's a really solid idea, but not really feasible to implement all at once. Now, if all new chassis were required to be built that way, in a decade or so just about all of the "old" style cars would be filtered out.

[fastford]

This isn't a bad idea, actually, but it would require pretty significant modifications to the chassis.

leave the driver where there at and move the door bars and the left side of the hoop out 3 or 4 inches , probably wouldnt change much on set up.

[GRT62]

Since the containment seat has become a lot more widely used in the sport, the amount of concussions have sky rocketed. What the are trying to prevent by mandating the use of a $2k+ Seat could be solved with a $20 window net. They cars are already tough to see out of when you have the seat mounted down in the car with the proper head clearence. I don't see where mandating a certain seat is helping anyone but the manufactures of said seat.

[calverton]

maybe maybe not but it would be helpful also a window net and maybe even a solid steering wheel , you break your hand the solid wheel looks pretty good after that

[Josh Bayko]

move the seat over away from the door

This isn't a bad idea, actually, but it would require pretty significant modifications to the chassis.

[calverton]

move the seat over away from the door

[Josh Bayko]

very good assessment billetbirdcage, i hate it for the ones that lost there lives this year , but this is a dangerous sport that they choose to participate in. It dont matter how many rules you apply, some one is going to get hurt, one thing that i dont understand is if these sanctioning bodies are this worried about drivers safety, why havent they mandated the tracks to have some type of soft wall system ? they want us to spend our money, but as long as these wall cushions have been out now, ive seen nothing...JMO...

Insurance dictates a lot of this. Give it time, they'll probably mandate some sort of soft wall setup too, perhaps those giant styrofoam blocks that were pretty popular on the asphalt tracks in the early 90s.