The Dream Tire Appeal Hearing Monday

[Barbecueboy]

I say it because I have been in shops and have heard the things that racers do, I've spoken to former crew chiefs, that are no longer in the sport, about this very topic. Tires have been a big deal for alot of years and still are today. You can do what you want to the car, but at the end of the day, there are only 4 rubber things touching the track. Seems pretty obvious why it would be an area to try and get an advantage.
IF these penalties are overturned because of a mistake on Hoosiers part, does that still cause everyone to be up in arms with the sanctioning body and the lab? IMO, if it's a mess up on hoosiers part, they should eat the fines and penalties levied against the drivers.

Yes, I've been vocal about my opinion on this, but if it comes out that the lab made a mistake, I will be on here to take my lumps. lol

I'm pretty sure I've questioned the entire process , not just the labs involvement.......actually , no I'm certain of it.

I guess my biggest questions about this whole deal are a couple that were involved.....satterlee??? Bshep?????.......I guess I just have too much faith in humanity, because I just don't see them doing it.

And wherever ( if any ) mistakes were made makes no difference if it was at the lab, the track, on the truck getting to the distributor or whatever..........the system sux and leaves too much room for doubt.

But for your sake and the sake of the other executioners that have hung them all high and dry with the cheater label...........hope you guys are all right.

Cause the lumps, they will be a comin.

[Barbecueboy]

I say it because I have been in shops and have heard the things that racers do, I've spoken to former crew chiefs, that are no longer in the sport, about this very topic. Tires have been a big deal for alot of years and still are today. You can do what you want to the car, but at the end of the day, there are only 4 rubber things touching the track. Seems pretty obvious why it would be an area to try and get an advantage.
IF these penalties are overturned because of a mistake on Hoosiers part, does that still cause everyone to be up in arms with the sanctioning body and the lab? IMO, if it's a mess up on hoosiers part, they should eat the fines and penalties levied against the drivers.

Yes, I've been vocal about my opinion on this, but if it comes out that the lab made a mistake, I will be on here to take my lumps. lol

And fwiw, you are certainly not the only person ever to grace the doorway of a race shop, a pit area or go on extended road trips with a race team...........I guess it depends on who you race with as to how you form your opinions of racers and race teams.

[Barbecueboy]

As someone who is subject to random drug testing, I make sure the process is followed to a T because failing a test could be catastrophic to my career. Hopefully this is a wake-up call to the teams to make sure the stated process is followed. I have no idea if these guys were juicing tires, but it seems that both the teams and Sam were very lack luster in the process. The teams have to be more proactive in the collection of sample process. Also, I was a bit concerned when Sam stated that identifying the tires by serial number was not required. I highly doubt any mistakes were made on the actual testing in the lab. Unlike some of the goofballs at WRG, those guys are professionals.

Did you say goofballs?.......

[MUD MAESTRO]

EZ fix.......Mandate one hard compound tire and let them soak as long as they like. Then listen to Hoosier squawk like the money robbers they are. It's time to get tires out of the equation.

[Barbecueboy]

EZ fix.......Mandate one hard compound tire and let them soak as long as they like. Then listen to Hoosier squawk like the money robbers they are. It's time to get tires out of the equation.

Did someone say chicken dinner earlier?????

Nice maestro........very nice

[Barbecueboy]

EZ fix.......Mandate one hard compound tire and let them soak as long as they like. Then listen to Hoosier squawk like the money robbers they are. It's time to get tires out of the equation.

It's never good to allow someone to basically have the market cornered...........some good healthy tire competition would do the sport a world of good.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

And fwiw, you are certainly not the only person ever to grace the doorway of a race shop, a pit area or go on extended road trips with a race team...........I guess it depends on who you race with as to how you form your opinions of racers and race teams.

And most of the ones I know, either juice their tires, or tried it, and thought it was a waste, or just not worth the risk. I do believe in the statement you keep poking fun at, that they all cheat. Cheating, gray area, whatever you wanna call it, you don't run up front and stay up front if you aren't always thinking, trying new things, working outside the box, testing etc.

Satterlee, Thornton, and BShep are the only reasons I have my doubts. Owens and Bloomer been around the block and I think will try anything to get ahead. But if these tests in some miraculous way aren't 100% conclusive, or have a flaw, then they'll all walk as they should IMO.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

It's never good to allow someone to basically have the market cornered...........some good healthy tire competition would do the sport a world of good.

American Racer has tried to take Hoosier to court, they lost. I agree though, there was plenty of guys who liked the AR's better, but if you aren't allowed to run them then you're SOL. Should most certainly let them back in though.

[Barbecueboy]

So the hearings were yesterday............everybody knows they are all cheaters , it's totally cut and dry.

How long are we needing to wait to hear ump say this ?

After all, it's a lock right??? No question about it??? They all are cheaters...........many of you guys have said it over and over.

Why the wait in just coming out and saying it???........not real hard to say" DENIED" and move along is it?

[Barbecueboy]

And most of the ones I know, either juice their tires, or tried it, and thought it was a waste, or just not worth the risk. I do believe in the statement you keep poking fun at, that they all cheat. Cheating, gray area, whatever you wanna call it, you don't run up front and stay up front if you aren't always thinking, trying new things, working outside the box, testing etc.

Satterlee, Thornton, and BShep are the only reasons I have my doubts. Owens and Bloomer been around the block and I think will try anything to get ahead. But if these tests in some miraculous way aren't 100% conclusive, or have a flaw, then they'll all walk as they should IMO.

We think similarly on your last paragraph.......had they gotten bloomer or had they gotten Jimmy or just those two I could look back at history and say yeah, maybe so.( but still not be 100% convinced)

But to get them two , and the other three just doesn't pass the sniff test( pun intended )

The whole thing is a farce.........and only destined to get uglier the longer the bad process is in place.

I've said it before.........somebody with some wherewithal and backing is going to hurt somebody's feelings and wallet over something like this...........and that's when it will change.

[Barbecueboy]

American Racer has tried to take Hoosier to court, they lost. I agree though, there was plenty of guys who liked the AR's better, but if you aren't allowed to run them then you're SOL. Should most certainly let them back in though.

Monopolies are broken up every day.........time to tackle this one.

Consumers deserve better and healthy competition keeps everybody a little more honest with their pricing.

[Josh Bayko]

Monopolies are broken up every day.........time to tackle this one.

Consumers deserve better and healthy competition keeps everybody a little more honest with their pricing.

Hoosier is far, far away from being a monopoly. If it was, one of the three major lawsuits thrown at them over the years would have been successful.

American Racer started this exclusive tire rule game way back when under a different name, and since have been consistently outplayed at that game. It's not Hoosier's fault that their competition is lackluster.

[old fan]

yeah meat head try it what did hoosier do wrong they supplied the tire

[XRACER1993]

This may cause a lot of flak on my statement, but if "these " tires were hot.. make the racers buy them at the track ..or, stamp them with a certain color, . or... get rid of Hoosier altogether , and run rock hard E C 2 McCreary tires... ?

[old fan]

Really those tires have to be prepped before raced andsinve is putting good to the sanction good luck with ec 2