The Dream Tire Appeal Hearing Monday

[plunks7]

The only test that comes back 100% is DNA. Let them run and do what ever the hell they want, to the tires!!!! If this is the only thing the Tech guys Tech. What the hell good are they? Get more into the nuts and bolts of things, like get your hands dirty. Stick your nose under a tarp, on a rear end. Remember it is "OPEN Late Models. Seems to me this is the only rule (tires) in all Series. Why is it called a Rules Book when there is only one rule? It should just be called Rule 1) Tires : Blah, Blah, Blah. Rule 2) Revert back to Rule 1.

What I am getting at, get rid of the tire BS rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hovlane]

Has anyone after having been denied at appeal ever taken it any further? Like suing the sanctioning body in a actual court of law.

[Snake X3]

The only test that comes back 100% is DNA. Let them run and do what ever the hell they want, to the tires!!!! If this is the only thing the Tech guys Tech. What the hell good are they? Get more into the nuts and bolts of things, like get your hands dirty. Stick your nose under a tarp, on a rear end. Remember it is "OPEN Late Models. Seems to me this is the only rule (tires) in all Series. Why is it called a Rules Book when there is only one rule? It should just be called Rule 1) Tires : Blah, Blah, Blah. Rule 2) Revert back to Rule 1.

What I am getting at, get rid of the tire BS rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is possibly the best post you've ever written.

[W2Racing09]

The only test that comes back 100% is DNA. Let them run and do what ever the hell they want, to the tires!!!! If this is the only thing the Tech guys Tech. What the hell good are they? Get more into the nuts and bolts of things, like get your hands dirty. Stick your nose under a tarp, on a rear end. Remember it is "OPEN Late Models. Seems to me this is the only rule (tires) in all Series. Why is it called a Rules Book when there is only one rule? It should just be called Rule 1) Tires : Blah, Blah, Blah. Rule 2) Revert back to Rule 1.

What I am getting at, get rid of the tire BS rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The drivers don't even want tire altering to be legal. That is completely aside from all the health consequences of prolonged exposure to the stuff for drivers and crew members and even fans who are inhaling dust at the tracks.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Hoosier is far, far away from being a monopoly. If it was, one of the three major lawsuits thrown at them over the years would have been successful.

American Racer started this exclusive tire rule game way back when under a different name, and since have been consistently outplayed at that game. It's not Hoosier's fault that their competition is lackluster.

Let's say I have the capability and capital to enter the DLM tire market. I can't.

[Barbecueboy]

Hoosier is far, far away from being a monopoly. If it was, one of the three major lawsuits thrown at them over the years would have been successful.

American Racer started this exclusive tire rule game way back when under a different name, and since have been consistently outplayed at that game. It's not Hoosier's fault that their competition is lackluster.

True enough, and monopoly was a poor choice of words.........but like everything else about tires and racing right now, things need to be changed,including that , finalized and put to mother ducking bed........ the guys in the tire game that can do that the quickest and actually be a good solution for racing all wear purple.

Bring the tires race ready.......several compounds........here they are......stfu go race.

I'm thankful for all the cogs in the wheel that make big time dirt late model racing go.......( some much more than others)it's hard to be a huge supporter in one hand and a questioner of the establishment in the other........but dam people, we are talking about tires weeks later instead of the great win that what's his name had at thingamajig.

Yessireebob......all is well......nothing to see here......just a bunch of cheatin a ss racers tryin to break the bank.

[Snake X3]

It's never good to allow someone to basically have the market cornered...........some good healthy tire competition would do the sport a world of good.

I agree. It ties in nicely with the concept of "open competition". It's like the concept of personal liberty. It's a black and white concept....either you have it or you don't. As soon as the first regulation is applied, especially in the name of "fairness" it ceases to exist and becomes something else.

For me, the appeal of DLMR is it's throwback to the golden age of Indy car racing where real men used their brains to innovate, their hands to build and their skill and courage to navigate their machines from point A to point B as quickly as possible. Today's DLM racers embody the spirit of men like AJ Foyt, Smokey Yunick and Ray Harroun. Guys that try to push the boundaries to go faster aren't the problem, but the salvation of the true spirit of racing and the quest for speed.

[blncfn57]

I'm pretty sure I've questioned the entire process , not just the labs involvement.......actually , no I'm certain of it.

I guess my biggest questions about this whole deal are a couple that were involved.....satterlee??? Bshep?????.......I guess I just have too much faith in humanity, because I just don't see them doing it.

And wherever ( if any ) mistakes were made makes no difference if it was at the lab, the track, on the truck getting to the distributor or whatever..........the system sux and leaves too much room for doubt.

But for your sake and the sake of the other executioners that have hung them all high and dry with the cheater label...........hope you guys are all right.

Cause the lumps, they will be a comin.

Yes, the 2 you mention are the hardest to believe.... I agree

How did only 5 of 32 get deemed illegal? I've asked that over and over and everyone that wants to bicker over my posts ignores that question.

Doesn't it strike you as funny that none of the other drivers are standing up for the accused? Cuz they all know the doping is going on, MANY have since said it is, but nobody is coming to the defense of these 5. Yes, it sucks for the guys that got found illegal and in no post have I ever said they were bad people for doping tires.

Here's a twist for you... what if UMP dropped all the fines and penalties, would it be because of a bad batch of tires? A bad test? Or would it be an under the table deal between the brass at UMP and the money guys that fund these cars? We will never know, all we can do is speculate.

[plunks7]

The drivers don't even want tire altering to be legal. That is completely aside from all the health consequences of prolonged exposure to the stuff for drivers and crew members and even fans who are inhaling dust at the tracks.

The air we breathe isn't healthy, even if were not at a race. Like sitting in your back yard around a fire, burning green wood. Or a simple fart with gases. Back in the day did you ever go to a party and burn tires? They burn for along time. Or did you go home when they started to burn? Your answer is not making me think any different. So if a motor is blown, break line broke or a rear end smoking do you hold your nose? Where a mask then you won't have to worry about anything is my suggestion!! Just saying!!

[Barbecueboy]

The only test that comes back 100% is DNA. Let them run and do what ever the hell they want, to the tires!!!! If this is the only thing the Tech guys Tech. What the hell good are they? Get more into the nuts and bolts of things, like get your hands dirty. Stick your nose under a tarp, on a rear end. Remember it is "OPEN Late Models. Seems to me this is the only rule (tires) in all Series. Why is it called a Rules Book when there is only one rule? It should just be called Rule 1) Tires : Blah, Blah, Blah. Rule 2) Revert back to Rule 1.

What I am getting at, get rid of the tire BS rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's downright presidential right there........

[old fan]

really now http://www.hoosiertire.com/safetywarning/index.htm

[fryefan]

The only test that comes back 100% is DNA. Let them run and do what ever the hell they want, to the tires!!!! If this is the only thing the Tech guys Tech. What the hell good are they? Get more into the nuts and bolts of things, like get your hands dirty. Stick your nose under a tarp, on a rear end. Remember it is "OPEN Late Models. Seems to me this is the only rule (tires) in all Series. Why is it called a Rules Book when there is only one rule? It should just be called Rule 1) Tires : Blah, Blah, Blah. Rule 2) Revert back to Rule 1.

What I am getting at, get rid of the tire BS rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Completely disagree. They actually need to test more of them and nail the cheaters.

[plunks7]

Completely disagree. They actually need to test more of them and nail the cheaters.

They all cheat in some form. Ask Ray Guss!!!!!

[Barbecueboy]

Yes, the 2 you mention are the hardest to believe.... I agree

How did only 5 of 32 get deemed illegal? I've asked that over and over and everyone that wants to bicker over my posts ignores that question.

Doesn't it strike you as funny that none of the other drivers are standing up for the accused? Cuz they all know the doping is going on, MANY have since said it is, but nobody is coming to the defense of these 5. Yes, it sucks for the guys that got found illegal and in no post have I ever said they were bad people for doping tires.

Here's a twist for you... what if UMP dropped all the fines and penalties, would it be because of a bad batch of tires? A bad test? Or would it be an under the table deal between the brass at UMP and the money guys that fund these cars? We will never know, all we can do is speculate.

kinda sux , don't it?

All the tremendous effort and loyalty that it takes to do all of this revolves around garbage in /garbage out technology for final results...... ......best thing to do with tires is to do nothing......everybody knows it.

I hope it works out for all involved , good guys or bad guys.......guess who's who depends on which side of the fence you're on.

[Barbecueboy]

really now http://www.hoosiertire.com/safetywarning/index.htm

Is that sorta like the tag you're not supposed to tear off the pilla?