Final appeal

[dirtdobber45]

got a put a bone around his neck for a dog will play him poor puppy

Are you having a flash back to your childhood?

[dirtdobber45]

Sounds like MOST, NOT ALL bloomer fans.

Idk about them...but Ive lived by that motto from then on lmao

[dirtdobber45]

And how big is that spectrometer for 5k? The last on I used was worth 10 times more. Dont think Id trust it unless a certified tech went over it and okd it

[plunks7]

And how big is that spectrometer for 5k? The last on I used was worth 10 times more. Dont think Id trust it unless a certified tech went over it and okd it

Well that counts out WOO and UMP. They don't have one of those peeps!!!

[fryefan]

It is only the sanctioning body's job to say whether or not a tire used in competition was legal or not. They can't give free passes because someone 3 handlings ago prepped it.... imagine the mess that would create. If a crate guy buys a truckload of used tires from someone that had been running prepped tires and they get caught with them, the tires are still illegal whether they "knew" or not.
I'm fairly certain, as big $ as the the sport has become, that there are people in business either offering tire prepping service or actually buying the tires themselves and pepping them to resell. That's why UMP/WRG can't go by anything other than if the tires used were legal or not.

I recently saw an add in a racing magazine where the seller stated that it was undetectable.

[fryefan]

It is pretty black and white actually. The only reason this came up was because of the final appeal aka a Hail Mary. A final appeal doesn't make it all of sudden any less black and white. If they couldn't prove there case in the first appeal. What makes you think it's gonna happen this time around?

Most of this topic is you arguing, blabbering out gibberish and contradicting yourself. Like when you said a "friend" told you they weren't taking tire samples. But when somebody said that wasn't the case. You stated that you are a "see for yourself kinda guy".

You and you only are the reason this topic is 8 pages. Not because people are talking about it. Child, please.

You are correct on all fronts.

[fryefan]

Last I checked, UMP, WRG, Lucas, MLRA, etc.,etc. don't sell or delivery any tires. They are the ones enforcing their rules (which is the tire samples must meet the benchmark provided by the tire manufacturer).

If this was Hoosier or Goodyear doing the testing, then yes I agree that they should be able to prove that they delivered a legal tire to the racer.

But, just like I was told when I was much younger by a police officer when I broke a law, "Just because you don't know you were breaking a law(rule) it doesn't change the fact that you broke it. You have to pay the price. Ignorance is not an excuse."

Good points. I think it is "denial", more than "ignorance".

[Barbecueboy]

Or just do something radical and run open..................according to you bastards that's what they are doing now anyway.....until they get caught.

[fryefan]

People refuse to believe that those guys legimately got caught. Whether it was unintentional or not. They still got caught. 2 of them have a track record of being tire dopers. If people honestly think that the tire could've been chemically altered by any other way than the actual process of doing it. Sadly that's not the case. Tire doping is a process that occurs before they even get the track.

As Jim Moon says.... 7 ounces gets you caught, 6 ounces you are good.

Excellent points.

[Barbecueboy]

Well that counts out WOO and UMP. They don't have one of those peeps!!!

But they got a cranky bastard with some evidence bags .............we're good.

[fryefan]

This process of checking tires is not complicated. Only a few people want to try to make it out to be rocket science. It's very simple. Take the sample, put it in a sealed package, send it to lab, lab tech opens and puts in machine and gets the results. It is not the lab, Hoosier, UMP, or anybody else's job to prove who altered the tire. If the tire was used on accused drivers car then they are DQ'ed. There is a benchmark it has to match and if it don't the lab says so. The lab does not say this driver is a cheater or that he himself altered the tire. They just say the tire did not match. These drivers broke a rule not a law.

No matter what tire checking process is used someone will say it is flawed. If they try to improve the one they are using now or not is up to them. I am fine with the current one.

It is as simple as that.

[Barbecueboy]

Yup.....clear as mud.

[Barbecueboy]

And just as fluid and transparent.

[blncfn57]

So there was something missing from all 5 tires you say??????

Strange.......I don't recall hearing it or remember reading it that way.......but I'm sure I'm wrong and you have the story correct.

So since it's only the baked in stuff that the testing gets, everybody is cool to go back to washing their tires and sheet metal with whatever can be rinsed off in the pits with a garden hose......should be cool with everybody involved I would think.

thanks for schooling us on that, I really had no idea the testing had become that accurate and are now targeting the baked goods only.

Well hell man, why have you been keeping it a secret........if you knew that the whole time I would have given up the fight for accuracy months ago.

All the bastards are guilty as sin after your revelation.........no doubt about it.

obviously you have trouble actually paying attention. The dirt "god", Bloomquist said in an interview that the way he understands it, there was nothing found added to the tire, but rather there was something missing from the makeup of the tire. So, if you want to believe that dawn dish soap, that was used to clean the car, got on the tire and made them illegal that's up to you. Maybe you would also like to believe the simple green theory also, since teams wrap their tires to keep the oils in them longer I'm gonna doubt any of them use a degreaser such as simple green to clean them lol.

So, how do you take something out of a tire without a trace of anything being added? Talk to a chemist, they do that stuff everyday. I believe they call it chemistry.

[Barbecueboy]

obviously you have trouble actually paying attention. The dirt "god", Bloomquist said in an interview that the way he understands it, there was nothing found added to the tire, but rather there was something missing from the makeup of the tire. So, if you want to believe that dawn dish soap, that was used to clean the car, got on the tire and made them illegal that's up to you. Maybe you would also like to believe the simple green theory also, since teams wrap their tires to keep the oils in them longer I'm gonna doubt any of them use a degreaser such as simple green to clean them lol.

When I was paying attention I heard bloomer say that about his tires........and when I was also paying attention I don't remember any of the other 4 saying anything of the sort, you?

Oh , that's right.....you already said you knew that all 5 tires were dq for the exact same thing ...you said all 5 were missing something....so which is it?

Me not paying attention, or you?