Prolly why I detest unions.....

[ss12]

Republicans are never be at fault is always the democrats fault. I can't believe how these republicans keep believing the lies they have been told. I least the democrats on here will admit when some wrong was done.

[buster83]

it`s which party can lie the best and cover it up, as history shows a dem in office the economy rolls with a rep in office the economy always slows and layoffs.

[dirtisforracin]

So mid 80's through 90's the economy was slow and layoffs were up???? What was the unemployment rate during those years??? What was the unemployment rate during the late 1970's. Buster83 I believe you should check your numbers and find out who those presidents were.

[LITE-INN]

it`s which party can lie the best and cover it up, as history shows a dem in office the economy rolls with a rep in office the economy always slows and layoffs.

so i geuss the economy is just rolling fine right now lmao

[t.nie]

I think Reagan's signature accomplishment had to be tripling the national debt to pay for all the good times. It's easy to look good when you are giving other people's money away. Reagan did it with much style and flair. We are now still paying on that debt, plus all the debt incurred in the wake of his decisions to run the country on a credit card.


The nominal national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure, an average national budget deficit per year of $237.5 billion, as compared to an average national budget deficit per year of $56.9 billion during Carter's tenure.

Enjoy the "tax cut." Instead of using actual money we have, the lost revenue is replaced with borrowing. He started that trend, and now we just keep on doing it.

[t.nie]

Nope, not even close. The intelligence community in the US and other countries were certain they had them. In the end it appears as though the did get the WMD thing wrong, but that doesn't mean they lied, it means they got it wrong. If you can't differentiate the difference, then there isn't much hope for you.

Certain they had them? Hans Blix didn't think so, and he was the Chief Weapons inspector for the UN. And it is documented that Bush and Blair did NOT have support for their war-mongering, the other member nations of the UN wanted more inspections and no invasion.

Slice it any way you want, but Bush, and probably more to the point, Cheney, deliberately set out to create an impression with the WMD stuff and they succeeded in bluffing enough in their own political arenas into going along with them. We had some dissonant voices here, but not many. A Dixie Chick comes to mind... lol

What choice did Bush give? "You're either with the terrorist, or with us." Funny thing, no one was with Bush apart from Blair. So what are we supposed to think, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Greece, Spain, et al are all "with the terrorists?" Hogwash. And its hogwash all over George Bush and Tony Blair.

Sorry, I think you will defend Bush to the very end, regardless of what history and fact and evidence reveal to us. Kind of like Cheney, still saying the war was the absolute right thing to do, and what does it matter there were no WMDs? He just comes up with an alternative list of reasons to justify it now, and completely disregards the fact that everything he claimed at the time is now known to be false. Kind of like your list above.

The real shame is we blew $10 trillion and have nothing to show for it that some stiff economic sanctions and a good program of propaganda against Saddam would have accomplished anyway.

Its a sad chapter in our nation's history, and a very very expensive one too.

[t.nie]

Republicans are never be at fault is always the democrats fault. I can't believe how these republicans keep believing the lies they have been told. I least the democrats on here will admit when some wrong was done.

I never believed Clinton when he claimed he never had sex with Monica. My thought was he is as guilty as sin. And when Anthony Weiner got busted, he denied it at first, but I didn't believe him either. Democrats are just as capable of being up to no good as Republicans. It just seems that Republicans shaft the nation, while Dems just shaft people in their personal lives.

[kidrock]

I think Reagan's signature accomplishment had to be tripling the national debt to pay for all the good times. It's easy to look good when you are giving other people's money away. Reagan did it with much style and flair. We are now still paying on that debt, plus all the debt incurred in the wake of his decisions to run the country on a credit card.


The nominal national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure, an average national budget deficit per year of $237.5 billion, as compared to an average national budget deficit per year of $56.9 billion during Carter's tenure.

Enjoy the "tax cut." Instead of using actual money we have, the lost revenue is replaced with borrowing. He started that trend, and now we just keep on doing it.

No just how can you talk about their beloved RR like that he was so, great for this country don't you remember. That's another one of those deficits don't matter when their in power.

[Clayton_Wetter]

15D then tell me why we went to Iraq then? Because they had WMD and nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism is created by a government allowing another government to come in and take over a country. The citizen get together to try to take back what was theirs. If China was to take over the USA would you set back and let it happen? If you and some other citizens get together to fight back then you become a terrorist. Oh by the way Iraq was getting away from the petro dollar and after the invasion went back to the petro dollar. Libya wanted to get way from the petro dollar and go to gold. Iran doesn't trade its oil with the petro dollar. It isn't hard to figure why we want war with these countries.

http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...odollar-system

So you would rather blame this all on greed and oil? The WTC buildings gone and thousands dead and we did nothing? Meanwhile the terrorist organizations take over free reign of their operations in the Middle East In countries like Iraq and Afgan and wherever they please. Building their strength and goals of continued and expanded terrorism throughout the world.

But no, these liberal writers used greed and oil as a political weapon to take down Bush and the Republican party instead. Don't you see their strategy of lies and deceit for their own political gains yet??

[Clayton_Wetter]

Just because its from a democratic site does not mean it is not true.

It sure don't mean it is true either. Why can't you guys see what the Democrat party has become? Instead all they have to do is redirect the blame, you guys believe it, and a large portion of or society continues to support them. This is the very thing they do so successfully because no matter what happens, they have duped and trained you to blame everyone else instead of them. Total mind control is a reality.

[Clayton_Wetter]

http://www.nilrr.org/files/Horowitz.pdf

This article is to be read only by intelligent individuals who are capable of analyzing the content and actually being educated by it.

It exposes the ugly truth of big labor unions.

Sorry to have to end this thread with a board shattering slam dunk, but you can't deny this coffin nailer!!!

[kidrock]

It sure don't mean it is true either. Why can't you guys see what the Democrat party has become? Instead all they have to do is redirect the blame, you guys believe it, and a large portion of or society continues to support them. This is the very thing they do so successfully because no matter what happens, they have duped and trained you to blame everyone else instead of them. Total mind control is a reality.

Sorry but, there is plenty of blame to landed at the feet of the dems but, what I find so, funny is the perfect party never ever does no wrong. No matter what site we post its always not creditable but, whatever site you guys post is 100% accurate all the time.

[kidrock]

http://www.nilrr.org/files/Horowitz.pdf

This article is to be read only by intelligent individuals who are capable of analyzing the content and actually being educated by it.

It exposes the ugly truth of big labor unions.

Sorry to have to end this thread with a board shattering slam dunk, but you can't deny this coffin nailer!!!

You have not ended the thread with nothing unions have been good for this country plain and simple. If not for the unions everyone would be making minimum wage still to this day. These companies would take advantage of its employees just like they do in these third world countries they only wished they could have gotten away with it here but, the people would not stand for it.

Yes there a few corrupt unions just like corrupt politics but, that says nothing about the good that has come from the unions.

[DirtClassic]

If not for the UNIONS we would not have the living conditions and way of life we have now. Wages would be stuck at poverty levels and there would not be enough hours in a day to make hay. We are getting a good look now, with right to work States. How are they making out? Yes they have the right to work, but the Government, whether it be local or state, has to give away your tax dollars to attract these companies, then they pay you low scale wages. Bring back the old days when Unions were strong and so was our economy. The World Trade Organization is the one to blame for the mess we are all in now. Everybody is hurting all over the World now. For the economy to grow again, all manufacturing should be done where the product produced can be easily bought by the workforce that built it. Simple 101 lesson we all learned in school that would make North America strong again when the job situation and economy were good. "Buy The Product You Build", Third World Companies can not do that. North America is sending out BILLIONS of dollars in aid to these Countries, along with North American Jobs. Not good for the North American Economy. My question is...How long can North America continue to help other Countries, when North American Good paying jobs are disappearing faster than the dinosaur? Where is the tax base going to come from when corporations are being paid by the North American Governments to produce in their City/State and to boot, then give them tax incentives to give out low paying jobs to desperate North American workers. Nothing makes sense to me anymore.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Sorry but, there is plenty of blame to landed at the feet of the dems but, what I find so, funny is the perfect party never ever does no wrong. No matter what site we post its always not creditable but, whatever site you guys post is 100% accurate all the time.

Not true, sorry, but creditable sources must take presidence over propaganda articles if we are going to get anywhere!