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  • Clayton_Wetter
    Banned
    • May 2007
    • 16671

    #76
    Union Free America

    Union Corruption

    The sad fact is that many unions are infiltrated by organized crime. Not all unions or union officials are corrupt. In fact, the vast majority of union officials, especially at the local level, are probably decent law abiding people.

    But unionism is about power and "power corrupts" so there are plenty of examples of union corruption. Keeping your fellow workers aware of them is a good way to influence them against getting involved with a union.

    The National Legal and Policy Center does an excellent job of monitoring and reporting on union corruption. They publish a twice-monthly "Union Corruption Update" that is absolutely loaded with examples of union corruption in almost every union. The archive of the "Union Corruption Update" is available online and you can search it by union or state.

    This page takes a little navigating. Click on "Organized Labor Accountability Project" and then on "Union Corruption Update" to find the information.

    If union corruption is of interest to you, send NLPC an e-mail asking them to send you "Union Corruption Update" on a regular basis.

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    • DirtClassic
      Banned
      • Sep 2011
      • 3102

      #77
      Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
      Union Free America

      Union Corruption

      The sad fact is that many unions are infiltrated by organized crime. Not all unions or union officials are corrupt. In fact, the vast majority of union officials, especially at the local level, are probably decent law abiding people.

      But unionism is about power and "power corrupts" so there are plenty of examples of union corruption. Keeping your fellow workers aware of them is a good way to influence them against getting involved with a union.

      The National Legal and Policy Center does an excellent job of monitoring and reporting on union corruption. They publish a twice-monthly "Union Corruption Update" that is absolutely loaded with examples of union corruption in almost every union. The archive of the "Union Corruption Update" is available online and you can search it by union or state.

      This page takes a little navigating. Click on "Organized Labor Accountability Project" and then on "Union Corruption Update" to find the information.

      If union corruption is of interest to you, send NLPC an e-mail asking them to send you "Union Corruption Update" on a regular basis.
      And there is the same amount of corruption in Corporate America. It is a battle Royal. If you think Corporate America is looking after you or will look after you, you are mistaken. Unions, even if they have some corruption in it's ranks, will still fight for better wages for you and will fight for you against the Corporate Companies for job security and benefits. You know, The old American way. Job security #1.

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      • kidrock
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 16433

        #78
        Originally posted by DirtClassic View Post
        If not for the UNIONS we would not have the living conditions and way of life we have now. Wages would be stuck at poverty levels and there would not be enough hours in a day to make hay. We are getting a good look now, with right to work States. How are they making out? Yes they have the right to work, but the Government, whether it be local or state, has to give away your tax dollars to attract these companies, then they pay you low scale wages. Bring back the old days when Unions were strong and so was our economy. The World Trade Organization is the one to blame for the mess we are all in now. Everybody is hurting all over the World now. For the economy to grow again, all manufacturing should be done where the product produced can be easily bought by the workforce that built it. Simple 101 lesson we all learned in school that would make North America strong again when the job situation and economy were good. "Buy The Product You Build", Third World Companies can not do that. North America is sending out BILLIONS of dollars in aid to these Countries, along with North American Jobs. Not good for the North American Economy. My question is...How long can North America continue to help other Countries, when North American Good paying jobs are disappearing faster than the dinosaur? Where is the tax base going to come from when corporations are being paid by the North American Governments to produce in their City/State and to boot, then give them tax incentives to give out low paying jobs to desperate North American workers. Nothing makes sense to me anymore.

        Very well said Dirtclassic

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        • kidrock
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 16433

          #79
          Originally posted by DirtClassic View Post
          And there is the same amount of corruption in Corporate America. It is a battle Royal. If you think Corporate America is looking after you or will look after you, you are mistaken. Unions, even if they have some corruption in it's ranks, will still fight for better wages for you and will fight for you against the Corporate Companies for job security and benefits. You know, The old American way. Job security #1.
          Very well said again

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          • kidrock
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 16433

            #80
            Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
            Not true, sorry, but creditable sources must take presidence over propaganda articles if we are going to get anywhere!
            It would not matter if it was true you would still say it was not and we know it because you have done it every single time someone post a link on here.

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            • Clayton_Wetter
              Banned
              • May 2007
              • 16671

              #81
              Originally posted by kidrock View Post
              It would not matter if it was true you would still say it was not and we know it because you have done it every single time someone post a link on here.
              The truth does matter totally. Thus I have to point it out!

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              • ss12
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 3864

                #82
                Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
                So you would rather blame this all on greed and oil? The WTC buildings gone and thousands dead and we did nothing? Meanwhile the terrorist organizations take over free reign of their operations in the Middle East In countries like Iraq and Afgan and wherever they please. Building their strength and goals of continued and expanded terrorism throughout the world.

                But no, these liberal writers used greed and oil as a political weapon to take down Bush and the Republican party instead. Don't you see their strategy of lies and deceit for their own political gains yet??
                We should of attacked were the terrorist were at.


                After you watch this video you will realize what other nations aren't listen to us anymore. This will also explain why nations are trying to get raid of the American dollar. They might not be able to beat us military but there is another way to beat us - get raid of the dollar!!
                Last edited by ss12; 01-02-2014, 06:58 PM.
                Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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                • buster83
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 1878

                  #83
                  most industrial contractors but not all are staying busy it better then it was but not great through the Regan years it was tuff out in the field trying to make it and a lot of layoffs and business was very slow.

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                  • 15D
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 239

                    #84
                    Originally posted by ss12 View Post
                    Republicans are never be at fault is always the democrats fault. I can't believe how these republicans keep believing the lies they have been told. I least the democrats on here will admit when some wrong was done.
                    Ronald Reagan will forever be tied to huge deficits, both in California while he was Governor and while President. The real question to be answered is if the boom he created in both economies overcomes the deficits he ran up.

                    The Republican Congress of the Late '90's deserves equal blame with Clinton for the sub-prime mortgage debacle we are presently struggling to get clear of.

                    George W Bush will have TARP forever tied to his administration. The out and out lies of TARP and the extremely slow response to the insurgents in Iraq will out shadow his great leadership, resolve, and restraint immediately following 9/11.

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                    • ss12
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 3864

                      #85
                      15D when come right down to it there has never been a perfect president. They are humans also, and there is no perfect human! What's your take on a presidents executive order? Have we gave a president to much power when he/she uses this? I think it was better when it went through the legislators and then went to the president for approve or veto.
                      Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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                      • 15D
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 239

                        #86
                        Originally posted by t.nie View Post
                        I think Reagan's signature accomplishment had to be tripling the national debt to pay for all the good times. It's easy to look good when you are giving other people's money away. Reagan did it with much style and flair. We are now still paying on that debt, plus all the debt incurred in the wake of his decisions to run the country on a credit card.


                        The nominal national debt rose from $900 billion to $2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure, an average national budget deficit per year of $237.5 billion, as compared to an average national budget deficit per year of $56.9 billion during Carter's tenure.

                        Enjoy the "tax cut." Instead of using actual money we have, the lost revenue is replaced with borrowing. He started that trend, and now we just keep on doing it.
                        First off, I think it is fair game to bring up the deficits. However, we did have the longest expansion period in our history following the implementation of his policies. Roughly '84 - '08.

                        Now, your mantra about lost revenue has no basis in facts. Revenue brought into the Treasury during the Reagan Administration consistently increased year to year despite the lowering of the Tax Rates. It is the increased economic activity caused by the possibility of greater returns that drives and economy to expand past the normal growth as adjusted for population growth. Just as increased regulation and taxation retards growth. Basic Macroeconomics.

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                        • kidrock
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 16433

                          #87
                          When good paying jobs left this country so did our economy. Plain and simple. Give people a good wage and see what happens to our economy. They will spend like crazy if they had it to spend and our economy would turn around real fast.

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                          • 15D
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 239

                            #88
                            Originally posted by ss12 View Post
                            15D when come right down to it there as never been a perfect president. They are humans also, and there is no perfect human! What's your take on a presidents executive order? Have we gave a president to much power when he/she uses this? I think it was better when it went through the legislators and then went to the president for approve or veto.
                            I agree, they were men, and they were flawed.

                            When it comes to Executive Power I like to go back to my ethics class and talk about Kantism. Emanuel Kant back in the 17th Century postulated that the best way to judge a decision is by whether or not a person would be happy if everybody else was allowed to make the same decision for themselves. So, more to your point, if it is alright for President Bush to pen an Executive Order then it would be alright for President Obama to pen an Executive Order. Seems like a decent basis.

                            Unfortunately where this falls apart is when a President issues an Executive Order on policy or issue no other President had done in the past and curtails our freedoms and rights. In my opinion what is going on with EPA regulations on Coal is well outside what any other President has done up this point, and in my opinion really hurting our economy as a result and ruining the lives of those who make their living through the mining or use of coal. The breaks and delays on Obamacare is so far outside what any other President, with the exception of FDR, that it is breath taking. The precedent he is setting will allow future Presidents to completely disregard any law or statute that so pleases their whim of the moment. This action has a name and it's called anarchy.

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                            • kidrock
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 16433

                              #89
                              Originally posted by 15D View Post
                              Ronald Reagan will forever be tied to huge deficits, both in California while he was Governor and while President. The real question to be answered is if the boom he created in both economies overcomes the deficits he ran up.

                              The Republican Congress of the Late '90's deserves equal blame with Clinton for the sub-prime mortgage debacle we are presently struggling to get clear of.

                              George W Bush will have TARP forever tied to his administration. The out and out lies of TARP and the extremely slow response to the insurgents in Iraq will out shadow his great leadership, resolve, and restraint immediately following 9/11.
                              Sure he got us into a war we should have never been in. A war he lied about to get us there. I sure would like to know what Colin Powell would really have to say about it one day.

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                              • 15D
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 239

                                #90
                                Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                                When good paying jobs left this country so did our economy. Plain and simple. Give people a good wage and see what happens to our economy. They will spend like crazy if they had it to spend and our economy would turn around real fast.
                                You can't give good paying jobs. What you can do as a government is foster a business environment that brings in constant economic expansion to the point where relationship between employer and employee shift in favor of the employee. When we reach this point is when wages will increase. Artificially raising the cost of labor just makes our competitors overseas more competitive in the Global Economy.

                                I know it sucks for the employee, but interference in the market will do nothing but prolong our dismal recovery. Extending un-employment insurance will extent the slow recovery as will raising the minimum wage.

                                The only way to get us back to what we were use to in the '90's is to put in place pro-business policies. Nothing else will work.

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