Tiregate lawsuit?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Lawsuit

I have read no ones posts, an I'm not going to, just give my two cents and move on.

Do I think Bloomer's from the scales has merit? If they weren't certified, and tested out of calibration, yes. Said it from the start, no matter who it was. Really, it's common sense, you pay by the scales, so be certain they are accurate and certified by the state. It's all about covering your a$$. That way you can tell Bloomer and anyone else, to pi$$ off. Instead, this, because they went old school, it's in the rule book. Which means nothing, like I said, to the state and the courts. Does it mean Scott will win the suit, no. If Eldora can prove their scales were accurate, still his loss.

On the tires, transparency is certainly needed. Tires didn't meet the benchmark, ok, what was wrong. Like, I committed a crime, but we don't wanna tell you what it was, you just did. Didn't say they added juice, or from an official standpoint, took something away. I heard from multiple places, that something was missing, but it wasn't official. And that lab better be up to snuff and have their equipment certified and their workers certified. So they all have merit on that one.

Do I think this is good for the sport, absolutely not. I don't believe in the doom and gloom that's on DoD, but it's not good. But, quit doing things like ya did 10-20 years ago. All employers, organizations, have started to learn to cover their a$$. My company certainly does that. So these race tracks and series better get into the 21st century and cover their a$$. Go over everything with real good lawyers, and have it all written out explicitly. Then you can take it all into court and tell Bloomer, and the rest, to suck it. Instead, I think this is going to be real messy.

And people are going to go one way or the other because of Bloomer. You can't look at it that way. You gotta see race car x and driver x, and go from there. Not going to happen on here, but in the court of law, it better. Because on here, people cannot be unbiased. No matter who was involved, I think they have merit. Just my opinion.

[Cardirt0]

How ever many other cars were weighd at that race wknd were not light only bloomer.

Top 3 were the only ones to be weighed

[Barbecueboy]

Its his First Post. you need too give time be for you give him a Foil hat......

No man.......husker girl said that even the guys at dirt on dirt recognize the signals I get when I wear mine..........that's grand pubah material right there........I know a future tin foil hat guy when I see him, lol.

[Barbecueboy]

I have read no ones posts, an I'm not going to, just give my two cents and move on.

Do I think Bloomer's from the scales has merit? If they weren't certified, and tested out of calibration, yes. Said it from the start, no matter who it was. Really, it's common sense, you pay by the scales, so be certain they are accurate and certified by the state. It's all about covering your a$$. That way you can tell Bloomer and anyone else, to pi$$ off. Instead, this, because they went old school, it's in the rule book. Which means nothing, like I said, to the state and the courts. Does it mean Scott will win the suit, no. If Eldora can prove their scales were accurate, still his loss.

On the tires, transparency is certainly needed. Tires didn't meet the benchmark, ok, what was wrong. Like, I committed a crime, but we don't wanna tell you what it was, you just did. Didn't say they added juice, or from an official standpoint, took something away. I heard from multiple places, that something was missing, but it wasn't official. And that lab better be up to snuff and have their equipment certified and their workers certified. So they all have merit on that one.

Do I think this is good for the sport, absolutely not. I don't believe in the doom and gloom that's on DoD, but it's not good. But, quit doing things like ya did 10-20 years ago. All employers, organizations, have started to learn to cover their a$$. My company certainly does that. So these race tracks and series better get into the 21st century and cover their a$$. Go over everything with real good lawyers, and have it all written out explicitly. Then you can take it all into court and tell Bloomer, and the rest, to suck it. Instead, I think this is going to be real messy.

And people are going to go one way or the other because of Bloomer. You can't look at it that way. You gotta see race car x and driver x, and go from there. Not going to happen on here, but in the court of law, it better. Because on here, people cannot be unbiased. No matter who was involved, I think they have merit. Just my opinion.

It's the opinion of many c and b............very well spoken.

I wish I could be as eloquent, but then I guess I would lose grand pubah tin foil hat status........which is kind of a gratifying title right about now.

[Cardirt0]

I have read no ones posts, an I'm not going to, just give my two cents and move on.

Do I think Bloomer's from the scales has merit? If they weren't certified, and tested out of calibration, yes. Said it from the start, no matter who it was. Really, it's common sense, you pay by the scales, so be certain they are accurate and certified by the state. It's all about covering your a$$. That way you can tell Bloomer and anyone else, to pi$$ off. Instead, this, because they went old school, it's in the rule book. Which means nothing, like I said, to the state and the courts. Does it mean Scott will win the suit, no. If Eldora can prove their scales were accurate, still his loss.

On the tires, transparency is certainly needed. Tires didn't meet the benchmark, ok, what was wrong. Like, I committed a crime, but we don't wanna tell you what it was, you just did. Didn't say they added juice, or from an official standpoint, took something away. I heard from multiple places, that something was missing, but it wasn't official. And that lab better be up to snuff and have their equipment certified and their workers certified. So they all have merit on that one.

Do I think this is good for the sport, absolutely not. I don't believe in the doom and gloom that's on DoD, but it's not good. But, quit doing things like ya did 10-20 years ago. All employers, organizations, have started to learn to cover their a$$. My company certainly does that. So these race tracks and series better get into the 21st century and cover their a$$. Go over everything with real good lawyers, and have it all written out explicitly. Then you can take it all into court and tell Bloomer, and the rest, to suck it. Instead, I think this is going to be real messy.

And people are going to go one way or the other because of Bloomer. You can't look at it that way. You gotta see race car x and driver x, and go from there. Not going to happen on here, but in the court of law, it better. Because on here, people cannot be unbiased. No matter who was involved, I think they have merit. Just my opinion.

Dont Love or Hate Bloomer..Right or wrong.. If someone Kicks you in the Nuts.. You fight back.. I think they Kicked him in the Nuts and Bloomer is the 1 of few that is fighting back...I think he pulled in too his Pit and put it on his Scales and they say he was not lite..If so he said I am not lite they told him to Kiss off .. he sued.. 100000 bucks So would I....

[Kromulous]

UMP and WRG are the biggest bunch of crooks in the sport. Most Fans DO NOT realize that, only after Lucas oil came onto the scene has the sport grown. So i hope the lawsuit goes thru, and i hope Driggers and all involved go absolute, flat out, bankrupt and out of the sport for good.

See ya, and good bye, get gone. May be then, the sport can get away from them derelicts.

[Highside Hustler25]

Yes, I travel weekly with a 410 sprint car team. I 100% agree with what you are saying, esp the part about being done this way since the beginning of racing. That is the gentleman's look at how it is done and has been forever, unfortunately it is not the laws, and now the law is involved. I would have to say if we won $100,000 at the Kings Royal and came up light, I would ask to see the current State scale sticker, and if there wasn't one or it was expired... the car would not move until it was inspected and verified. I agree if the scale is off, it is off for everyone, but not everyone plays the weight so close to the limit. If they had the weight figured to within 10 lbs, and the scales could be off by over 30, how is that fair to people. "Hey, the rule is 2500, but it could go 50 lbs either way"?

I've been to tracks that flat out tell you before hand...scale your car. We don't care what your personal scale says. Weigh it here.
Pretty simple at the E. You're there for literally 4 days. Plenty of time to do it.

[25 Jay 53]

If this has been asked I apologize, but WRG runs the World Of Outlaws Sprints too, do they have this same problem in sprint races? Do they check tire samples there and have drivers been caught over there tampering with tires?

[Barbecueboy]

UMP and WRG are the biggest bunch of crooks in the sport. Most Fans DO NOT realize that, only after Lucas oil came onto the scene has the sport grown. So i hope the lawsuit goes thru, and i hope Driggers and all involved go absolute, flat out, bankrupt and out of the sport for good.

See ya, and good bye, get gone. May be then, the sport can get away from them derelicts.

Yikes.............

[Barbecueboy]

Jeff , the systems in place aren't working now.......if they were with any certainty we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Has nothing to do with guys wanting to use their own scales to weigh with or their own labs or testing equipment to test with...........has everything to do with the guys making and enforcing the rules and getting the enforcement correct before you label someone as a cheater.

And it also has zero to do with ME getting my way.......I have no vested monetary interest in any of the five that were accused, but if I did......and knew my guy was innocent, I would be throwing some at it like the rest of them.

It has to do with a multi million dollar entity like wrg to having their ducks in a row and unquestionable systems in place before you chuck somebody , besmirch their name and label them as a cheater.

People get sued every day in court for these sorts of things when what they say about somebody is proven to be slanderous and not true........nothing different here.

You seem to be to busy trying to defend a system that you claims works because that's just the way it's always been done..............and doing it that way just for the sake of being too lazy to figure it out or not wanting to change with the times is why they ( wrg)are in the sticky wicket they are in now.

[Barbecueboy]

I don't need to find another job -- race promotion/officiating isn't my job... it's a hobby... and becoming not a very fun one.

I make a grand total of $75 per race (in the interest of transparency my wife does the pill draw and collects entry fees and for that I pay her $25 per race) so lets say $100 per race. The series has 7 races that pay out about $25000 total plus a $4000 point fund in addition to other awards and things (that $4000 all paid for with sponsorship money I spent my time during the off season raising from companies like Hoosier, AMSOIL, Lazer Chassis, etc.) and for all of this work I pay myself and my wife $700 per year.

I don't often complain about the money, in fact I did it last year and paid myself $0. I think it is understood among those involved in race promotion that it does not pay much despite what some drivers and fans think. The thing that concerns me is stuff like what is going on right now in the courts. You may think it is better to get your way, but when myself and many others like me quit doing it you will see tracks and series cease to exist and that will mean less money, less cars, and less fans involved in dirt racing.

As far as your statement about drivers being treated fairly, I don't know about you but my definition of fair is for all of the competitors to be treated equally. They all weigh their cars based on the same set of track scales. I would argue that allowing 5 drivers to use their money to go to court to not have to weigh in on the same track scales (or have their tires checked using the same process as everyone else) is opposite of treating drivers fairly. Just another example of money ruling the sport. Davenport is ultimately the one who should feel like he is treated unfairly if the weight deal is overturned. He passed tech by the rules in the rule book, won the race based on that and has likely spent the cash winnings (a difference of $80k) which would likely need to be returned along with the trophy and rights to say he won the dream

When your hobby quits being fun........it's definitely time to get out.

Too bad the racers wanting a fair shake has made it not fun for you.

[Barbecueboy]

I don't need to find another job -- race promotion/officiating isn't my job... it's a hobby... and becoming not a very fun one.

I make a grand total of $75 per race (in the interest of transparency my wife does the pill draw and collects entry fees and for that I pay her $25 per race) so lets say $100 per race. The series has 7 races that pay out about $25000 total plus a $4000 point fund in addition to other awards and things (that $4000 all paid for with sponsorship money I spent my time during the off season raising from companies like Hoosier, AMSOIL, Lazer Chassis, etc.) and for all of this work I pay myself and my wife $700 per year.

I don't often complain about the money, in fact I did it last year and paid myself $0. I think it is understood among those involved in race promotion that it does not pay much despite what some drivers and fans think. The thing that concerns me is stuff like what is going on right now in the courts. You may think it is better to get your way, but when myself and many others like me quit doing it you will see tracks and series cease to exist and that will mean less money, less cars, and less fans involved in dirt racing.

As far as your statement about drivers being treated fairly, I don't know about you but my definition of fair is for all of the competitors to be treated equally. They all weigh their cars based on the same set of track scales. I would argue that allowing 5 drivers to use their money to go to court to not have to weigh in on the same track scales (or have their tires checked using the same process as everyone else) is opposite of treating drivers fairly. Just another example of money ruling the sport. Davenport is ultimately the one who should feel like he is treated unfairly if the weight deal is overturned. He passed tech by the rules in the rule book, won the race based on that and has likely spent the cash winnings (a difference of $80k) which would likely need to be returned along with the trophy and rights to say he won the dream

And the purple money that rules this sport sits squarely in the middle of this whole tire debate anyway...........in my opinion of course.

[a25rjr]

Jeff , the systems in place aren't working now.......if they were with any certainty we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Has nothing to do with guys wanting to use their own scales to weigh with or their own labs or testing equipment to test with...........has everything to do with the guys making and enforcing the rules and getting the enforcement correct before you label someone as a cheater.

And it also has zero to do with ME getting my way.......I have no vested monetary interest in any of the five that were accused, but if I did......and knew my guy was innocent, I would be throwing some at it like the rest of them.

It has to do with a multi million dollar entity like wrg to having their ducks in a row and unquestionable systems in place before you chuck somebody , besmirch their name and label them as a cheater.

People get sued every day in court for these sorts of things when what they say about somebody is proven to be slanderous and not true........nothing different here.

You seem to be to busy trying to defend a system that you claims works because that's just the way it's always been done..............and doing it that way just for the sake of being too lazy to figure it out or not wanting to change with the times is why they ( wrg)are in the sticky wicket they are in now.

No more posting for you.......that's too much common sense for this thread!

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Top 3 were the only ones to be weighed

Top 3 in all races that wknd not just 3 total

[Barbecueboy]

No more posting for you.......that's too much common sense for this thread!

The shiny hat just makes it seem that way..........everything I've ever said about any of it is wrong.........just ask the panel, lmao.