Bloomquist/Owens Lawsuit and World 100 Predictions

[W2Racing09]

Should John Doe really be running a 2007 rocket against the woo or Lucas guys in 2016 anyway???
And let's be honest.....the local guys that run with the woo or Lucas guys aren't running the 2007 rockets.....the ones that run the Lucas ,woo shows have those 45k xr1 pieces that dominate the local scene.

Again , we both know that.....

So you think it would be best if the guys that don't have all that cash to blow on brand new equipment just shouldn't bother? I'm sure everyone will be lining up to pay out a $40k purse to a 22 car field for the LOLMDS or WoO series. Those are the guys the sport needs. I remember some serious complaining about the 21 car field at Macon for the LOLMDS. People better get used to it in a hurry if this is the outlook that some people involved with the sport have.

Just so you know there were a bunch of cars at Selinsgrove this past week that fall into the category of not having a brand new $90k car.

[W2Racing09]

Jeff , I've been going racing since the 60s.........there isn't a whole lot you can tell me about racing in general.

So you are saying the tire deal in asphalt is solely what lead them to where they are today???trying to understand where you are going before I give you an accurate reply.

Because if your claim is that tires only ruined asphalt racing , it's going to be an embarrassing thread for you..

In my neck of the woods it certainly was the last straw. There is some other stuff that contributed to the downfall in most areas but tires are counted as the biggest issue. It has absolutely murdered the little guys. If they are still around they run just one track so that they can put every single tire they purchase into that track inventory. The second they go somewhere else it is like starting over. Not an easy task for a team trying to run a $10k car on a shoestring budget.

[Cardirt0]

There's absolutely more local weekly runners running a used roller and with a secondhand big name engine that are a blown motor away from ending their season than there are guys in brand new XR1s or Longhorns with a couple brand new Durham or Cornett motors in the shop. 4M doesn't really seem to get this.

Know a lot of Boys that If there motor brakes they done.. or at best the have a Old steel block to put in it.. With it they may not make it out of the last change race..

[Barbecueboy]

You may well be right, that it's not the only reason, but it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Why make any of those straws, rules if they are going to hurt the sport. It's just common sense. If they did it and it didn't work, why should we?

I've said several times that the changes they are doing now are far from perfect......it's funny how most of the sky is falling crowd on 4m have no problem saying what they are trying won't work............but have yet to offer up any ideas of their own.

What's the point of doing all the speculative bitching about something that hasn't even happened yet ......and offer up nothing in terms of ideas?

Anybody can just bitch, takes a little more than that to get problems solved though.

Speaking of straws breaking backs......thank you wrg, eldora,blue ridge, Hoosier and all the players that have led up to these progressive changes occurring.

Long overdue

[Barbecueboy]

I have never said they all soak tires, I have said they all bend the rules in one way or the other, to the point that if they were caught it would result in a DQ. The vast majority of drivers don't do anything crazy but 1/8 of an inch here, or what not. I can go to the average Modified race and point out 5 cars that are in violation of the body rules in one way or the other. How many people know a Street Stock driver with 1st gear removed to lighten the car up. They don't check that stuff every week (and in many cases not at all ever) and the drivers know it.

If they never enforce those rules anyway, and if you as a promoter can walk up to a competitor and spot an infraction and you don't dq them or mandate they correct it.

What's the point of having the rule?

I apologize for my error on you saying the all cheated tires......

[Barbecueboy]

There's absolutely more local weekly runners running a used roller and with a secondhand big name engine that are a blown motor away from ending their season than there are guys in brand new XR1s or Longhorns with a couple brand new Durham or Cornett motors in the shop. 4M doesn't really seem to get this.

Some of us that are there every Saturday night......actually do.

[Barbecueboy]

So you think it would be best if the guys that don't have all that cash to blow on brand new equipment just shouldn't bother? I'm sure everyone will be lining up to pay out a $40k purse to a 22 car field for the LOLMDS or WoO series. Those are the guys the sport needs. I remember some serious complaining about the 21 car field at Macon for the LOLMDS. People better get used to it in a hurry if this is the outlook that some people involved with the sport have.

Just so you know there were a bunch of cars at Selinsgrove this past week that fall into the category of not having a brand new $90k car.

If you are talking about the guys in those 2007 rockets that you say are everywhere trying to get in the woo and Lucas events, yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

And at selingsgrove, out of those guys you speak of ........how many made the show.

And please, don't be massaging it .....just be straight up with it.

And to keep you honest, lets just narrow it down to those local guys in those much older pieces with the 5 k engines that can't afford this new tire rule......how many of them made the show?

give this thing a chance, lord knows everybody has given the old tire rule plenty of chances to get it dialed in and be certain about it..........and it still isn't working.

[Barbecueboy]

In my neck of the woods it certainly was the last straw. There is some other stuff that contributed to the downfall in most areas but tires are counted as the biggest issue. It has absolutely murdered the little guys. If they are still around they run just one track so that they can put every single tire they purchase into that track inventory. The second they go somewhere else it is like starting over. Not an easy task for a team trying to run a $10k car on a shoestring budget.

You do know that some of us actually are part of a race team, right?

I'm not sure you should be the guy telling me how to run a 10k car on a shoestring budget......fwiw.

[Josh Bayko]

Some of us that are there every Saturday night......actually do.

With all the flip-flopping you do around here, you should try out for the Olympic team.

[W2Racing09]

If they never enforce those rules anyway, and if you as a promoter can walk up to a competitor and spot an infraction and you don't dq them or mandate they correct it.

What's the point of having the rule?

I apologize for my error on you saying the all cheated tires......

Man you like to twist words, did I say I can walk through the pits at one of my tour races and point out cars out of compliance? No I did not, so I'm not sure where you got that from. I said at the average Mod race. We tech bodies every race in the series I am involved with, but there are tracks almost everywhere that don't.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

You do know that some of us actually are part of a race team, right?

I'm not sure you should be the guy telling me how to run a 10k car on a shoestring budget......fwiw.

I don't know which $10k car that is running on a shoestring budget that can apparently drop $600-$900 at every race for tires they can only use once you are involved with -- but thanks for being involved with the sport!

Also, you are certainly not the only one here who is involved on that side of it. I know there a bunch of people on this forum (including myself) who regularly work on teams both at the track and at the shop.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

If you are talking about the guys in those 2007 rockets that you say are everywhere trying to get in the woo and Lucas events, yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

And at selingsgrove, out of those guys you speak of ........how many made the show.

And please, don't be massaging it .....just be straight up with it.

And to keep you honest, lets just narrow it down to those local guys in those much older pieces with the 5 k engines that can't afford this new tire rule......how many of them made the show?

give this thing a chance, lord knows everybody has given the old tire rule plenty of chances to get it dialed in and be certain about it..........and it still isn't working.

What the hell does it matter if they make the show? Its like you think that the tracks are thrilled when 24 cars show up (news flash: in most places in the country said tour will not be invited back after a car count like that for a $10k/$8k to win race). This sport needs drivers who are running in the LCQ just as much as it needs drivers running in the A Main. If you fail to see that then it explains your stance on just about every issue on here.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[W2Racing09]

I've said several times that the changes they are doing now are far from perfect......it's funny how most of the sky is falling crowd on 4m have no problem saying what they are trying won't work............but have yet to offer up any ideas of their own.

What's the point of doing all the speculative bitching about something that hasn't even happened yet ......and offer up nothing in terms of ideas?

Anybody can just bitch, takes a little more than that to get problems solved though.

Speaking of straws breaking backs......thank you wrg, eldora,blue ridge, Hoosier and all the players that have led up to these progressive changes occurring.

Long overdue

Also, here is my suggestion that I posted last week.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Not all the grassroots guys do that.

Some run $4k motor, $15k car and run very well.

At Vernon??? hahahhahaaaaa

[Barbecueboy]

With all the flip-flopping you do around here, you should try out for the Olympic team.

That's an Olympic sport again?

What am I flip flopping on btw.......