If you like your plan.........

[t.nie]

i can guarantee you that you are not older than me. I also point to these three states that are run by liberals who win by payoffs and give aways. spend, spend and tax. Lie, cheat and spend and tax. Perfect examples of what liberalism does. But it doesn't matter, they give stuff away, and that will always get people elected

Then why is it that the states you claim are examples of liberalism gone rampant, tax and spend to buy votes are not in the top ten states getting the most Fed money for each tax dollar paid in?

States receiving the most federal funding per tax dollar paid:
1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Colombia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78


Illinois only gets .92 cents back for every dollar paid in, and California gets $1.09 back for every dollar. I think Michigan was like $1.50, still well below Maine in the top ten government welfare takers. Note all those states are Red states.

Kinda looks like your argument is pretty weak about who the real spend spend spend states are.

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but 91 cents goes to chitchago

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the state is not liberal or consevative is it so both theories are false

[Bubstr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CtldHzRQE8 and the drummer is always a beat off

Go back and watch your own clip. The Tea Party founders knew that the FED was the root of our economic problems. Then they joined the republican party and it disappeared from their rhetoric. That drummer sold you out. Now you can't even name that tune.

Funny thing is, the occupy group recognizes the FED as a problem and the Libertarians recognize it as a problem even the Socialists recognize it as a problem. Your founding fathers recognized it as a problem, which means every constitutionalists should recognize it as a problem. It is why we fought the Revolutionary war and founded this country. But you and Clayton can, with all your wisdom, say you don't like the beat of that tune. The idiocy never ends.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk and obummer got in office and still pushing his agenda

[Clayton_Wetter]

Go back and watch your own clip. The Tea Party founders knew that the FED was the root of our economic problems. Then they joined the republican party and it disappeared from their rhetoric. That drummer sold you out. Now you can't even name that tune.

Funny thing is, the occupy group recognizes the FED as a problem and the Libertarians recognize it as a problem even the Socialists recognize it as a problem. Your founding fathers recognized it as a problem, which means every constitutionalists should recognize it as a problem. It is why we fought the Revolutionary war and founded this country. But you and Clayton can, with all your wisdom, say you don't like the beat of that tune. The idiocy never ends.

You can say for just your own argument that the Tea Party sold out and joined the Republican party, but that is "false statement" for your own argument and is 100% untrue. Have a nice day. Am I friendly and respectful enough yet???

[Bubstr]

You can say for just your own argument that the Tea Party sold out and joined the Republican party, but that is "false statement" for your own argument and is 100% untrue. Have a nice day. Am I friendly and respectful enough yet???

I don't have to argue the Tea Party sold out. They have that R by their name. They take money from the RNC and they vote party line. They are owned by the republican supporters now.

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Preamble: The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement. Everyone is welcomed to join in seeking to achieve the Tea Party Movement goals, which are as follows: 1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens. “Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.” --Calvin Coolidge “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.” --Thomas Jefferson “Any tax is a discouragement and therefore a regulation.” --Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Also see: What is the Tea Party; Tea Party Ideas; Tea Partiers; Voice of the Tea Party 2. Eliminate the National Debt - By implementing fiscally conservative policies at all levels of government, progress can be made toward eliminating the U.S. National Debt. Massive increases in the National Debt have created and continue to create a huge burden for the next generation of Americans, thus imperiling the country’s short-term and long-term economic health and prosperity. “You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.” --Abraham Lincoln “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” --Thomas Paine, 1776 “As on the one hand, the necessity for borrowing in particular emergencies cannot be doubted, so on the other, it is equally evident that to be able to borrow upon good terms, it is essential that the credit of a nation should be well established.” --Alexander Hamilton, 1790 Tea Party Platform continued: 3. Eliminate Deficit Spending - All deficit spending must be eliminated immediately. We insist that government representatives at all levels maintain a fiscally responsible budget and balance the books as would be expected of any American business. “Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” --George Washington “A penny saved is a penny earned.” --Benjamin Franklin “Tomorrow, every Fault is to be amended; but that Tomorrow never comes.” --Benjamin Franklin Tea Party Platform - Home of the Tea Party Movement Platform continued: 4. Protect Free Markets - America’s free enterprise system allows businesses to thrive as they compete in the open marketplace and strive toward ever better services and products. Allowing free markets to prosper unfettered by government interference is what propelled this country to greatness with an enduring belief in the industriousness and innovations of the populace. “That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well.” --Abraham Lincoln “You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man’s initiative and independence.” --Abraham Lincoln “The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” --Ronald Reagan Tea Party Platform continued: 5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States - The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land and must be adhered to without exception at all levels of government. This includes the Bill of Rights and other Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and their provisions designed to protect states’ rights and individual liberties. “A general Dissolution of Principles & Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole Force of the Common Enemy.” --Samuel Adams, 1779 “The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon.” --George Washington “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” --Abraham Lincoln Tea Party Platform continued: 6. Promote Civic Responsibility - Citizen involvement at the grassroots level allows the voice of the American people to be heard and directs the political behaviors of our representatives at both the local and national level so they, in turn, may be most effective in working to preserve the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of this country’s citizens. “The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.” --Patrick Henry “To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” --Abraham Lincoln “Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light” --George Washington “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” --Thomas Jefferson Tea Party Platform - Home of the Tea Party Movement Platform continued: 7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government - A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt. “My observation is that whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty...it is worse executed by two persons, and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein.” --George Washington “If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy.” --Samuel Adams, 1802 “Energy and persistence conquer all things.” --Benjamin Franklin Tea Party Platform continued: 8. Believe in the People - The American people, given their guaranteed freedoms, will thrive in a democratic, capitalist environment which allows individuals to strive toward ever greater achievements, innovations and the efficient production of needed and valued goods and services. “Industry need not wish.” --Benjamin Franklin “Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.” --Abraham Lincoln “The people will save their government, if the government itself will allow them.” --Abraham Lincoln Tea Party Platform continued: 9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics - American politics is burdened by big money from lobbyists and special interests with an undue influence on the peoples’ representatives. The Tea Party movement is seen as a threat to the entrenched political parties and thus is the continual target of smear campaigns and misrepresentation of its ideals. We choose not to respond to these attacks except to strongly and explicitly disavow any and all hate speech, any and all violence as well as insinuations of violence, and any and all extreme and fringe elements that bring discredit to the Tea Party Movement. We are a peaceful movement and respect other's opinions and views even though they do not agree with our own. We stand by the Tea Party beliefs and goals and choose to focus our energies on ensuring that our government representatives do the same. “I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.” --Abraham Lincoln “Honesty is the best policy.” --Benjamin Franklin “Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” --George Washington Also see: What is the Tea Party; Tea Party Ideas; Tea Partiers; Voice of the Tea Party Tea Party Platform continued: 10. Maintain Local Independence - The strength and resilience of a grassroots movement is the ability of citizens at the local level to determine their own platforms, agendas and priorities free of an overriding central leadership. Exercising the clearly stated message of the Tea Party movement by its nature involves discourse about which policies and candidates best hold to our stated principles, and these various opinions should flourish and evolve at the local level. “Here sir, the people govern.” --Alexander Hamilton in a speech to the New York Ratifying Convention, 1788 “Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.” --Samuel Adams, 1781 “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.” --Abraham Lincoln Tea Party Platform - Thank you for visiting the Tea Party Movement Platform Website

[mudslinger47]

Bubstr, are you stupid? The GOP hates the TEA party, absolutely hates them, did you not pay attention to McConnel? Talk about your low information voter...

[kidrock]

Bubstr, are you stupid? The GOP hates the TEA party, absolutely hates them, did you not pay attention to McConnel? Talk about your low information voter...

Right Mud, McConnell talks out of both sides of hie mouth.

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Right Mud, McConnell talks out of both sides of hie mouth.

doing his job well I see

[Bubstr]

Bubstr, are you stupid? The GOP hates the TEA party, absolutely hates them, did you not pay attention to McConnel? Talk about your low information voter...

When they kick the Tea party out, I'll believe you. Is that the same McConnel that tacked a 5 billion dollar ear mark on the debt ceiling bill? Why yes it was. Are these the same teabaggers and McConnel that vote the same party line every time? Why yes it is. Tell you what, You listen to the BS and I'll look for results.

[DirtRacer2014]

When they kick the Tea party out, I'll believe you. Is that the same McConnel that tacked a 5 billion dollar ear mark on the debt ceiling bill? Why yes it was. Are these the same teabaggers and McConnel that vote the same party line every time? Why yes it is. Tell you what, You listen to the BS and I'll look for results.

Wow Bubstr.. i have read most of the post you put on here and thought that most of them were well thought out. But when you say something like this" You listen to the BS and I'll look for results" all i can say is WOW. You want to look at some Results. almost 18 trillion in debt and most of that from this president in the last 5 years! The worlds best health care system in shambles from this president and endless American lives lost do to his lead from behind approach. The list goes on and on..RESULTS? Come on Bubstr.

[Clayton_Wetter]

DirtRacer I agree, Bubstr has a personal disliking for the Tea Party cause. For what real reason I can't see, other than insisting that they are frauds for some reason yet to be backed up other than some left wing blather.

[Bubstr]

Wow Bubstr.. i have read most of the post you put on here and thought that most of them were well thought out. But when you say something like this" You listen to the BS and I'll look for results" all i can say is WOW. You want to look at some Results. almost 18 trillion in debt and most of that from this president in the last 5 years! The worlds best health care system in shambles from this president and endless American lives lost do to his lead from behind approach. The list goes on and on..RESULTS? Come on Bubstr.

And what did the tea party do to stop the increasing debt? A lot of that was bailouts for banks and auto industry. There where broken laws that the SEC could have prosecuted. Nothing was done and the republicans didn't even complain about it, including the teabaggers. Why was this? Could it be they would have given the elitists even more and still not prosecuted anyone?

I don't stick up for the democrats. They are bought and paid for also. If you wish to stick up for the democrats, I'll show you the errors of your ways there also. As long as you have elitist, big money in politics, You don't have a representative government and that includes the teabaggers. You didn't buy them and they are not your servant. If they don't take the easy money, they won't be elected.